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Post by desertman on Nov 16, 2016 19:14:00 GMT -5
desertman : I was the one who made you write that rant. Thanks for playing along with the RL mindbending. Sent you kudos via the RL Request Tool.   |
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Post by desertman on Nov 17, 2016 10:45:33 GMT -5
I don't generally disagree with Lizzie on a lot of things. In fact I think I can only remember one other thing I ever disagreed with her on to a point that it is worth remembering.
But this is likely the worst response I've seen in that psion thread, and I am saddened it came from a longtime player who obviously doesn't understand/isn't familiar with how to handle this aspect of the game. (Granted it is a more rare aspect, so, some forgiveness/understanding may be in order.)
A psion who makes you think/feel/do something that is 100% opposite and contrary to what your character might ever think/feel/do in that particular circumstance? Assume it's a mindbender who isn't nearly as clever as he thinks he is, and RP out that assumption. You don't even necessarily know WHO the mindbender is. You just know it is one, because no way, no how, would your character have ever come up with that thought/feel/action without outside intervention.
If a newbie thought this was ok, I wouldn't be bothered so much. I would expect that. However, the fact this wasn't a newbie just illustrates the truth of Jingo's gripe from playing his psion that so many people respond poorly and it is a widespread issue.
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Post by jkarr on Nov 17, 2016 11:18:02 GMT -5
she sounds like a control freak desperately grasping at straws to icly justify the unintuitive leap from strange thought to mindworm
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Post by desertman on Nov 17, 2016 11:47:58 GMT -5
Well it is a very rare thing to encounter, usually. I've had many mindworms mess with me over the years. I also had an IC boss who was a mindworm for a fairly long time when I was in The Guild with my character Markus, so I got perhaps a bit more insight into them and how to play with them/around them than others might.
I can see how it might be hard for some people to come to terms with the fact that on an IC level they aren't necessarily completely in control of their character's thoughts.
That can be scary, but, it is part of the game if you like it or not/know how to play up to par with it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2016 12:00:13 GMT -5
I think it's unrealistic for the player of a psionicist to believe they will have much impact at all at controlling someone with suggestions like implanted thoughts. For example, what if someone thought "Amos is a jerk, I'm going to kill him." This might be something might someone thinks on their own but people aren't controlled by one thought but by the sum of all their thoughts. One thought is easily countered but it will cause someone to start thinking. I might not kill Amos but I'll think differently about him. Unless a psionisit is there to shape a majority of thoughts, to counter any counter thoughts/opposition (and if there were much resistance this would probably drive someone insane, not uncommon for someone being mindbended) it's wrong to assume one or two thoughts will have the kind of power to make any big changes in an individual. These are only suggestions.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2016 12:04:56 GMT -5
It'd be cool to see the mindbender excuse used more, especially when it's just someone who screwed up or is actually insane.
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Post by desertman on Nov 17, 2016 12:12:22 GMT -5
Oh I agree. I much prefer mindbenders who very slowly over time and constant effort mold and direct you. "I hate Amos, I want to kill him.", probably won't make you kill him so much as wonder, "Hmm, I'm not usually that pissy. Probably not getting enough sleep or some shit.".
However, if a mindbender wants to ride me for a couple of RL weeks and slowly over time manipulate me into hating things about Amos I otherwise wouldn't hate about him, that's gold. If they do it until finally they get me to the snapping point and make me go, "I've had it, I'm going to cut this motherfucker.", I'm 100% on board. I would send them kudos on top of that.
However in both instances I have ZERO REASON to EVER say, "Oh noes, it's a mindbendorz and I knows it because of all of mai mindbendorz knowledge I have.".
You have no mindbender knowledge unless you are in a position to have obtained it first hand. (Templars etc or you actually KNOW a mindbender who has taught you about them.) Anything short of that is just shit roleplay and you should be ashamed.
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Post by punished ppurg on Nov 17, 2016 12:19:57 GMT -5
We get it, desertman, you want your new psionicist character to have some pushing power at the bar to get that cute half-elf in your lap.
But you're just going to have to realize that the man playing that cute f-me half-elf has logged into the MUD to pretend to be a lesbian with other female characters, and compared to the amount of delusion-cum-relationalization that he's gone through IRL to get behind the keyboard that situation, ICly writing off your coded crotch-wetting with a MINDBENDERS excuse is nothing to him and, by extension, his character.
I recommend trying to flirt with someone else.
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Post by desertman on Nov 17, 2016 14:31:54 GMT -5
Though I'm pretty sure you are joking, I just want to clarify, I'm not playing a psion and do not even have the karma to play one. Unfortunately, staff feels I'm not a good enough player.  |
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Post by BitterFlashback on Nov 17, 2016 15:16:21 GMT -5
Purg is playing Retard's Advocate, on behalf of the metagaming playerbase.
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Post by desertman on Nov 17, 2016 15:20:32 GMT -5
Purg is playing Retard's Advocate, on behalf of the metagaming playerbase. Re-read it in this light and chuckled a bit heh. |
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Post by fatfinger on Nov 17, 2016 19:59:29 GMT -5
Here's an interesting scenario. What if a mind worm made a dwarf act against his focus? Would it be better RP for the single minded determination of the dwarf to prevail, or for the mental prowess of the psyguy to succeed?
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Post by desertman on Nov 18, 2016 2:58:41 GMT -5
Psion wins in the short-term, dwarf focus wins in the long-term.
If your focus is to "Eat all of the cheese.".
But, a psion gives you the ole' psy powers to, "I would rather have a steak today.".
Well, you are having steak today. Tomorrow you might sit there and wonder what the fuck was up with you yesterday, but, you are going to have that steak.
Also, your assumption will not be, "It was a psion and I know it was a psion.". It would be something more like, "Hmmm, maybe my body needed the steak to help me eat more of the cheese, I don't know.".
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Post by gloryhound on Nov 18, 2016 5:21:44 GMT -5
If a psion making you "think" is supposed to turn you into a volitionless puppet, why didn't they implement it so that the psion could just take over and command your PC just like the void elementalist spell.
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Post by punished ppurg on Nov 18, 2016 6:29:00 GMT -5
Psion already has the ability to force you to do something -- it's just not on the forcethink skill. I think it branches from it.
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