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Post by generality on Nov 3, 2024 20:40:56 GMT -5
Oh yeah, for sure. I believe I already made snippy comments about Lidless Eye and Calm Thy Palm though.
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Post by migrant on Nov 4, 2024 11:40:06 GMT -5
From my experiences with Rune, he is the opposite of a creep. In the position of a staffer on another game I saw him actively avoid situations that creeps would jump at, and even saw him escape a predatory situation with a player I eventually banned. It's really nice to see how he's managing the community in Untold Dawn and being firm about community moderation. Gives me hope for the future of the genre.  One thing I've seen weaponized in MUD communities a lot is this kind of hearsay accusation against an innocent person. I honestly have very little respect for people who make these kinds of accusations without backing them up, and my suspicions, which have always proven true in my life so far, is that the people attempting these accusations are actually predators of a sort themselves, and people I wouldn't want around. Like one of the first comments in here is some unsubstantiated rumor about a head coder jumping ship and it being a bad look. Could people verify their drama-spewing before they start flinging mud, please? Rune has always been the head coder for Untold Dawn and never jumped ship as far as I know. I never saw anything close to problematic behavior from him. I know throwing diarrhea around is fun but it's actively damaging communities when you do it for no reason except some kind of spiteful apeshit enjoyment. The Shadowboards weren't the reason Armageddon closed. Armageddon players and staff and the toxic community y'all create is why. If you want things to change; if you want to have good MUD games where people are actually having fun and enjoying quality roleplay, then everyone is going to need to examine their own meta behavior. TLDR: stop being toxic at Untold Dawn. |
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mehtastic
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Post by mehtastic on Nov 4, 2024 13:20:58 GMT -5
Setting aside unfounded accusations about Rune's behavior, I think it's more than fair to assume that a community full of Armageddon players is going to implode on itself for the same reason Armageddon did. With the game being run by an ex-Armageddon player/staffer and ex-Sindome player/staffer, it is sadly very safe to assume bad intentions until proven otherwise, and play cautiously if at all.
I think one thing we all have to realize about discussion of RPIs is that ex-RPI players and players on the fringes tend to be deeply burned out on the type of people that play RPIs. That's not an excuse to drop a serious accusation without backing it up with some PDFs of email chains and Discord screenshots, but it is a more than fair reason to be wary. Don't be too trusting, block people the moment they say something weird, turn off "accept DMs from people in your server", and remember that people aren't your friends just because they play the same game as you.
However, I've been pleasantly surprised with Rune showing no tolerance for Doublepalli's nonsensical bullshit and I hope that when Rune realizes how much of his playerbase are bad actors, he does the right thing, rather than make the same mistake his predecessors did and overlook it for the sake of a slightly higher player count. Because at the end of the day, yes, a toxic community is at fault for Armageddon's downfall... and many of them just moved to Untold Dawn.
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Post by jcarter on Nov 4, 2024 21:39:57 GMT -5
From my experiences with Rune, he is the opposite of a creep. In the position of a staffer on another game I saw him actively avoid situations that creeps would jump at, and even saw him escape a predatory situation with a player I eventually banned. It's really nice to see how he's managing the community in Untold Dawn and being firm about community moderation. Gives me hope for the future of the genre. One thing I've seen weaponized in MUD communities a lot is this kind of hearsay accusation against an innocent person. I honestly have very little respect for people who make these kinds of accusations without backing them up, and my suspicions, which have always proven true in my life so far, is that the people attempting these accusations are actually predators of a sort themselves, and people I wouldn't want around. Like one of the first comments in here is some unsubstantiated rumor about a head coder jumping ship and it being a bad look. Could people verify their drama-spewing before they start flinging mud, please? Rune has always been the head coder for Untold Dawn and never jumped ship as far as I know. I never saw anything close to problematic behavior from him. I know throwing diarrhea around is fun but it's actively damaging communities when you do it for no reason except some kind of spiteful apeshit enjoyment. The Shadowboards weren't the reason Armageddon closed. Armageddon players and staff and the toxic community y'all create is why. If you want things to change; if you want to have good MUD games where people are actually having fun and enjoying quality roleplay, then everyone is going to need to examine their own meta behavior. i agree with some of this. i think there are definitely accusations made that are made up, or are exaggerated, or involve a party omitting key details from their story. part of it is the nature of the beast though. the community needs to demand better answers when this comes up and judge it on its own merits. who did so-and-so act inappropriate with? when did this happen? what specifically did they do/say? verifying details, as in actually getting honest-to-god logs, is going to be ultimately unfeasible. but people can and should view every accusation with a critical lens and be open-minded, whether that's disbelieving or believing the claim. it's a bad situation overall, but at the same time when multiple people are making accusations, even vague ones, about someone the idiom of 'where there's smoke there's fire' comes into mind. declaring that people need to 'stop being toxic' and stifling discussion is not a method that is going to resolve it. |
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Post by generality on Nov 5, 2024 3:28:03 GMT -5
This community will have a particularly rough time of it, although less now you won't lose out in your bid to play a High Karma role because Zealus, Famos Amos or TLH apped for it.
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mehtastic
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Post by mehtastic on Nov 5, 2024 5:48:40 GMT -5
When the game opens permanently today, it will open mostly to people who played/staffed Armageddon up to the end, former Armers and players of other games in the RPI genre. Just a glance at the Discord member list shows a lot of familiar names: some good, some bad, many who were tolerant of bad for the sake of having people to play with. I would not be surprised if there are a few more bans this month to straighten out the community, because frankly these people do not have a history of playing nice with each other.
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Post by migrant on Nov 5, 2024 16:30:44 GMT -5
From my experiences with Rune, he is the opposite of a creep. In the position of a staffer on another game I saw him actively avoid situations that creeps would jump at, and even saw him escape a predatory situation with a player I eventually banned. It's really nice to see how he's managing the community in Untold Dawn and being firm about community moderation. Gives me hope for the future of the genre. One thing I've seen weaponized in MUD communities a lot is this kind of hearsay accusation against an innocent person. I honestly have very little respect for people who make these kinds of accusations without backing them up, and my suspicions, which have always proven true in my life so far, is that the people attempting these accusations are actually predators of a sort themselves, and people I wouldn't want around. Like one of the first comments in here is some unsubstantiated rumor about a head coder jumping ship and it being a bad look. Could people verify their drama-spewing before they start flinging mud, please? Rune has always been the head coder for Untold Dawn and never jumped ship as far as I know. I never saw anything close to problematic behavior from him. I know throwing diarrhea around is fun but it's actively damaging communities when you do it for no reason except some kind of spiteful apeshit enjoyment. The Shadowboards weren't the reason Armageddon closed. Armageddon players and staff and the toxic community y'all create is why. If you want things to change; if you want to have good MUD games where people are actually having fun and enjoying quality roleplay, then everyone is going to need to examine their own meta behavior. i agree with some of this. i think there are definitely accusations made that are made up, or are exaggerated, or involve a party omitting key details from their story. part of it is the nature of the beast though. the community needs to demand better answers when this comes up and judge it on its own merits. who did so-and-so act inappropriate with? when did this happen? what specifically did they do/say? verifying details, as in actually getting honest-to-god logs, is going to be ultimately unfeasible. but people can and should view every accusation with a critical lens and be open-minded, whether that's disbelieving or believing the claim. it's a bad situation overall, but at the same time when multiple people are making accusations, even vague ones, about someone the idiom of 'where there's smoke there's fire' comes into mind. declaring that people need to 'stop being toxic' and stifling discussion is not a method that is going to resolve it. Agreed re: smoke & fire. But what we need to keep in mind is that sometimes the fire comes from the person making unfounded accusations. And we should really be critical of these kinds of vague drama shippers. I believe that people do need to talk, and I don't want to stifle discussion, but when much of the rumors are just flying around without substance and people are gleefully gobbling them, that's toxic. Just a point for those who don't want to repeat mistakes. If you're happy where you've been, keep at it. (General 'you', not you in specific, jcarter.) |
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Post by ask on Nov 5, 2024 18:47:30 GMT -5
I understand we are all hungry for another text based game, something new or different to play, but I think we should be cautious when we want to dismiss claims from concerned individuals and that outright ignoring the people who are voicing their experiences will lead to yet another Armageddon staffing experience.
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