alleys
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Post by alleys on Oct 21, 2024 20:52:46 GMT -5
Since, GDB is closed and Turkish goverment decided Discord to be unreachable for a while this forum is the only place I can thank some fellow players even though probably very small number of them still follow this board.
Last months, I had a blast. Staff was much more interactive then I can ever hoped for (Much more then anytime during my on-off play for twenty five years). They were kind, creative and cooperative. I had spent many many hours with PCs and enjoyed immensely. Also, even though I've never had out of game conversations, OOCly players I interacted were kind and encouraging. I'll remember this last months RP gaming experience with joy. So a big thank you all! You rock hard.
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Post by pinkerdlu on Oct 22, 2024 13:20:36 GMT -5
Fuck the staff...
*Throws cig on ground and stamps it out*
Ya filthy animals...
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punished ppurg
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Post by punished ppurg on Oct 22, 2024 14:50:21 GMT -5
All things said, I do think that the past 6 months of staff have been "the best" in memory. Including even the dastardly leaker, if he exists. No super bad controversies, no insane dramas, and no explosions here. What sucked is the "fellow players" part. I sincerely believe that certain clan leaders were gatekeeping access to their clan, and thus their "good thing" tempo with staff, through unnecessary dues and duties that happened to magically resolve on their own for when their OOC buddies wanted to join in.
The greatest limitation was the leadership. Take Talon and the manufacturing of a tier below recruit, the "bribe me" prospect, for the AoD. This is irresponsible to the framework, design, and intention of the clan itself. It disenfranchises people who want to join the clan and participate with its themes, and be considered for the attention of a nominally benevolent staff team. If the clan lead is obnoxious, if the clan lead is causing people to balk at first blush, then no amount of good staff framing can save a clan. And by extension, a game.
I do sincerely believe the "weight" of the story beats, the copper etc. with the GMHs, nurtured a culture of exclusion. Some of this is to blame with game mechanics, as there is notoriously no way to resolve character beats in Armageddon without murder: the code just isn't there, though I could make it be there easily. But as an extension of that void of non-lethal game mechanics, the players will (in game theory) present the "least amount" of interacting surface to the threat vector of the "outside world" (eg fellow players) so as to minimize their risk. Salarri players spam walking through the bazaar, not speaking to anyone. And so on. The risks are too great! We see how that turned out with the dwindling playerbase.
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Post by Azerbanjani on Oct 22, 2024 17:10:42 GMT -5
In a world where despite there being thousands, if not millions, of real people running around and living their life....the world will be as small as a 10 person office when only the players are meaningfully represented in it. I dare say in Allanak I could have a substantial and fruitful career of back alley strangler in a realistic fashion but in Armageddon land everyone has a perfect memory and can tell by my dust stains who I am.
I still think the solution was to turn the game into a players vs staff environment and less in the cringy way it already was and more of staff providing the antagonists and the players being encouraged, if not incentivized somehow, to actively team up against staff plots.
Would it have fixed things?
No. Some asshole would have treated his 'totally staff npc' as their PC and have just acted a cunt. And players would have still acted a cunt. And evil conclave 1.0 would have developed or something. But still, I think conceptually that's the winning move.
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baobob
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Post by baobob on Oct 22, 2024 23:31:22 GMT -5
Since, GDB is closed and Turkish goverment decided Discord to be unreachable for a while this forum is the only place I can thank some fellow players even though probably very small number of them still follow this board. Last months, I had a blast. Staff was much more interactive then I can ever hoped for (Much more then anytime during my on-off play for twenty five years). They were kind, creative and cooperative. I had spent many many hours with PCs and enjoyed immensely. Also, even though I've never had out of game conversations, OOCly players I interacted were kind and encouraging. I'll remember this last months RP gaming experience with joy. So a big thank you all! You rock hard. I'm glad to see this. I'm glad to see this here. Thanks. |
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jjhardy
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Post by jjhardy on Oct 27, 2024 0:31:09 GMT -5
This armageddon experiment was doomed to failure when it changed from a player driven game to a staff and staff friend driven game. You don't tell a story, stick your finger up my ass and use me as a puppet, big up your friends ALWAYS and expect there to be no backlash. The game had a chance when you weren't interfering with the people, protecting your friends and letting animals loose to harass innocent females.
Fuck the lot a ya.
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jkarr
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Post by jkarr on Oct 27, 2024 3:17:57 GMT -5
This armageddon experiment was doomed to failure when it changed from a player driven game to a staff and staff friend driven game.lol my guy it never changed the only thing that did just like a -lot- of other folks was ur awareness of it |
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alleys
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Post by alleys on Oct 29, 2024 16:56:16 GMT -5
- ArmageddonMUD was one of the most succesful MUDs. I don't know I guess maybe what %1 of them manage to survive with decent number of players for 25-30+ years.. let alone an RPI MUD.
- All RP games are based on staff quality. If you don't like the storyteller you don't play. That's really that easy. And yes, that means you must trust their judgement, abilities, etc. If not, seriously..?
- I am not sure what staff friend driven game means. Those friends get better items, quests, etc. ? One was able to play with other players. Bored? Sure, leave the game. We stop playing games every day. I like having somewhere to RP a character in a written environment.
- Even though I don't, many players played with their friends. We all like spending time with certain people, i.e. friends. Staff should be a bit more considerate (and jkarr is right, of course staff had some favourites but I understand it to a degree. This forum full of boring, attention demanding, stupid acts of many PCs. Including the ones whom use the forum a lot.) If that's not enough.. leave. Many left.
- About criminal incidents. Damn those people. I hope they got their justice before the law. Being a 40+ years old person and worked as auditor and manager for many years now, unfortunately my hopes for such justice are low.
Game ended because it didn't get any new blood. Without new blood, there is no energy. At the end it couldn't find decent staff. Then some vandal ended the game. Like said many times, problems mentioned in forum were almost same as they were 2000s.
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Patuk
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Post by Patuk on Oct 29, 2024 17:00:48 GMT -5
- ArmageddonMUD was one of the most succesful MUDs. I don't know I guess maybe what %1 of them manage to survive with decent number of players for 25-30+ years.. let alone an RPI MUD. - All RP games are based on staff quality. If you don't like the storyteller you don't play. That's really that easy. And yes, that means you must trust their judgement, abilities, etc. If not, seriously..? - I am not sure what staff friend driven game means. Those friends get better items, quests, etc. ? One was able to play with other players. Bored? Sure, leave the game. We stop playing games every day. I like having somewhere to RP a character in a written environment. - Even though I don't, many players played with their friends. We all like spending time with certain people, i.e. friends. Staff should be a bit more considerate (and jkarr is right, of course staff had some favourites but I understand it to a degree. This forum full of boring, attention demanding, stupid acts of many PCs. Including the ones whom use the forum a lot.) If that's not enough.. leave. Many left. - About criminal incidents. Damn those people. I hope they got their justice before the law. Being a 40+ years old person and worked as auditor and manager for many years now, unfortunately my hopes for such justice are low. Game ended because it didn't get any new blood. Without new blood, there is no energy. At the end it couldn't find decent staff. Then some vandal ended the game. Like said many times, problems mentioned in forum were almost same as they were 2000s. Friend, the producers did not trust the judgment of their fellow staff. I use fellow staff generously, as this concerns the players they hand-picked for the role. Each and every one of them. Every single one. Fair to say the problems are the same as the ones in the 2000s, though. Since the days of Pearl Terash, and those before them perhaps, it's been a thing. But if all it takes for it to be untenable is the info being out there for anyone to read, well, frankly, it may just have been a bad idea all along. |
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Post by pinkerdlu on Oct 29, 2024 17:16:54 GMT -5
At the end it couldn't find decent staff. Then some vandal ended the game. Don't you talk about Halaster like that. He shall be respected as the Necromancer-King of Armageddon. |
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alleys
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Post by alleys on Oct 29, 2024 18:48:27 GMT -5
Friend, the producers did not trust the judgment of their fellow staff. I use fellow staff generously, as this concerns the players they hand-picked for the role. Each and every one of them. Every single one. Fair to say the problems are the same as the ones in the 2000s, though. Since the days of Pearl Terash, and those before them perhaps, it's been a thing. But if all it takes for it to be untenable is the info being out there for anyone to read, well, frankly, it may just have been a bad idea all along. You are right of course. That's probably the most sad thing at all. I guess, if I'd find myself in a hobby position that requires absolute trust such as a constant conflict, perma-death RP game and can not trust other fellow staff I am not sure I'd continue at all. I run a six storyteller event which lasts four moths right now, we see each other everyday so it's not same, but without trust I wouldn't want to run the game at all. About leadership roles, I don't know.. really I don't know. It's a problematic issue. You give a lot of trust to some player, and after a few bad experiences I doubt I'd like to continue storytelling. I played just a few along the years and without any support from staff. I guess that's again all depends on what we expect from our gaming experience. In any case, being an active producer for so many years in a game like ARM was not a good thing for the game and oneself. On the other hand, what I understand many producers were problematic even at least one of them was a criminal. PS. pinkerdlu, I hear you mate. I simply can't believe how important this game was/is for you. I hope this end would offer a resolution for you. |
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Post by pinkerdlu on Oct 29, 2024 18:54:50 GMT -5
PS. pinkerdlu, I hear you mate. I simply can't believe how important this game was/is for you. I hope this end would offer a resolution for you. Thank you. You remind me of a grandmother. With your warm-hearted consolation... I feel like I can survive another day. |
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alleys
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Post by alleys on Oct 30, 2024 19:47:05 GMT -5
PS. pinkerdlu, I hear you mate. I simply can't believe how important this game was/is for you. I hope this end would offer a resolution for you. Thank you. You remind me of a grandmother. With your warm-hearted consolation... I feel like I can survive another day. Haha. Thank you. I am really getting old. Here is a gift for you. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/John_Bauer_1915.jpg |
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jjhardy
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Post by jjhardy on Nov 1, 2024 11:57:08 GMT -5
A lot of people left the game, myself included a while back because we were tired of the same people time and again, with the same RP style (You can tell who is who by their RP style), getting leadership positions which they fucked up constantly. It amazes me when they become a leader, fuck it up royally, leave/get killed, and a week later, they are now a templar or noble. I think they implemented that shadow name on the board shite as a way to hide this fact. Either way, I got tired of being turned down for role after role and relegated to mundane shit after years of long-lived and sometimes memorable characters. I say fuck em all, glad they went down in flames, sorry to those who disagree but this has been coming for some time now. Keep in mind that back in the day, I was a sorcerer, whiran, psionist, all of the above, but with new leadership and having left for a short while after a decade or more of contribution, get Karma'd to shit.
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Wooo Saaah
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delerak
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Post by delerak on Nov 1, 2024 14:58:05 GMT -5
A lot of people left the game, myself included a while back because we were tired of the same people time and again, with the same RP style (You can tell who is who by their RP style), getting leadership positions which they fucked up constantly. It amazes me when they become a leader, fuck it up royally, leave/get killed, and a week later, they are now a templar or noble. I think they implemented that shadow name on the board shite as a way to hide this fact. Either way, I got tired of being turned down for role after role and relegated to mundane shit after years of long-lived and sometimes memorable characters. I say fuck em all, glad they went down in flames, sorry to those who disagree but this has been coming for some time now. Keep in mind that back in the day, I was a sorcerer, whiran, psionist, all of the above, but with new leadership and having left for a short while after a decade or more of contribution, get Karma'd to shit. \ Wooo Saaah My post history will show my disdain for the role call system arm had in place it should have been done away with a long time ago. |
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