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Post by generality on Oct 21, 2024 23:42:19 GMT -5
I have no idea, I have sprinkled salt around personally but I have not leaked anything about the game because I don't care enough for it past complaining on the Shadowboards about Armers being jerks and staff enabling Armers to be jerks. There is no point leaking information that you don't have.
Edit: I made a snide comment to Mehtastic about Arion being a dingus, to come clean. That is it.
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Post by baron on Oct 22, 2024 0:26:17 GMT -5
I've said before: Stick the code & data up on github. Encourage anyone to fork it, prop up an instance, run a local for their own amusement. Could even ensure the gdb is preserved by including the data for it on the repo.
The game should have a tombstone. Hundreds of people over the years contributed in ways big and small, representing uncountable man-hours over the decades. If staff is reading: curation is your final responsibility.
Thanks to those who kept the torch lit for those decades. But alas, all good (and bad) things must come to an end.
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Post by jkarr on Oct 22, 2024 0:44:24 GMT -5
Wait, what was even "leaked" here aside from all of TLH's vanity projects and that every character he's ever made has a name ending in K? If there were screen shots of internal staff discussions and shit like that I missed it. well now u see how stupid they are blaming this board for leaks they found that werent even posted here |
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jesantu
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Post by jesantu on Oct 22, 2024 0:53:10 GMT -5
I wonder how much of this is just subconsciously "the game is dying again and rather than face the music I wanna blame it on something else".
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punished ppurg
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Post by punished ppurg on Oct 22, 2024 1:26:50 GMT -5
There are a few people that have come here and taken shots at mehtastic, since his posts are the cornerstone of this narrative that there exists a staff leaker. There's name-flinging and so on. But there's never been a post here that directly repudiates, or dismantles, the core of meh's arguments.  We've seen everything from contradiction down. "The game is doing fine." "Meh is exaggerating." "Meh's a nerd who spends too much time thinking about this." And now certainly we're in name-calling. This is my challenge to anybody who would like to come over to the Shadowboards and take a swing at the regulars here. The game is dead. There are no more secrets; and all plots have now withered on the vine. The Producers have abdicated their obligations to host the game (which is their right to do! Nobody is forcing anybody to host anything). There was a switch over to a new server a couple weeks back: I wonder if that had anything to do with the idea of making this shut down easier to accomplish. This ultimatum. Was it a last-ditch effort to stop the leaks? But I digress. My challenge to you, is to shoot for as high on this pyramid as possible. Prove meh wrong, explicitly refute the narratives. If you can. If you are capable of doing so. Bring your logs, bring your own explanations, bring whatever evidence you feel is appropriate to share at the end of things. If you say that the posts here were wrong? Prove it. I'm sad to hear the news. You know me - I always wanted Armageddon to get better, to be the game that I thought it was when I fell in love with it, to become the game that it promised us that it was when we first invested with our hearts unshielded. I wanted it to be a game worth playing. I wanted its community to be one worth investing in. I wanted its admin team to hold themselves to the expectations of the ethics through which they held their mandate on the game. I wanted a lot! I never got what I wanted out of Armageddon. I remember the Nessalin A/B information leaking in order to find staff loose lips in the 2010s. I remember the tracking-pixel-in-a-DM. I've had my own dramas.  And now to think that there's somehow a rat so perfidious that the game itself should die. What can I say? The rat is a product of its environment. You've done the right thing, whoever you are. Halaster lost the mandate (of ethics) when he ran cover for Shalooonsh — Seasons was a good idea, maybe it could have been great. But without the mandate, and with just a few bad choices on who to put in power, the game dies for the 2nd time this year. It didn't have to be this way. To quote the announcement, I'll speak for everybody who loved this game, got burned by it, and then tried to forget it: I hope you look in the mirror. |
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Post by jesantu on Oct 22, 2024 1:32:25 GMT -5
this narrative that there exists a staff leaker. I still don't get what was a) leaked and b) why it had to be a staffer. I mean maybe it was. Probably it was! But what information was a huge revelation? What information once exposed became game breaking? |
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Post by my2sids on Oct 22, 2024 1:39:29 GMT -5
My challenge to you, is to shoot for as high on this pyramid as possible. Prove meh wrong, explicitly refute the narratives. If you can. If you are capable of doing so. Bring your logs, bring your own explanations, bring whatever evidence you feel is appropriate to share at the end of things. If you say that the posts here were wrong? Prove it. Sure. Since mehtastic has posted smut about me, I'll swing on by once my staff contract is terminated/complete. I don't really have the desire to post other peoples' information or violate my contract, though. |
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punished ppurg
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Post by punished ppurg on Oct 22, 2024 1:43:01 GMT -5
this narrative that there exists a staff leaker. I still don't get what was a) leaked and b) why it had to be a staffer. I mean maybe it was. Probably it was! But what information was a huge revelation? What information once exposed became game breaking? Quoting the announcement, This breadth of information would only be accessible via someone "behind the staff curtain", with IDB / request tool login / immortal game access. Maybe someone's account on the staff team is compromised? There's a "leaker" and they don't even know they're the leak? Has the Producer team forced password changes for everyone, have they run IP checks to see if Immortal Tweedle-Dee on the West Coast USA logs in from Kaliningrad every day? There's enough horror stories to get through Halloween about the amount of immortal-net bullying and belittling that's gone on through Armageddon. Now that someone outside of the chosen team should do it, it's a "privacy risk". Nobody should be posting anything to Ginka that is a "privacy risk". That would be my first suggestion: what manner of discussion is happening between staff and random MUD player that the wrong eyes upon it creates a privilege breach that justifies closing the port? Nothing of that significance is justified over this MUD. |
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 22, 2024 1:43:22 GMT -5
It is wild to me that a volunteer text-based game had "actual" contracts. I literally worked on a 20,000 player peak game server for cash money and we just had a basic MOU.
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Post by jesantu on Oct 22, 2024 2:35:33 GMT -5
I still don't get what was a) leaked and b) why it had to be a staffer. I mean maybe it was. Probably it was! But what information was a huge revelation? What information once exposed became game breaking? Quoting the announcement, This breadth of information would only be accessible via someone "behind the staff curtain", with IDB / request tool login / immortal game access. So whatever was leaked is something only staff know about? How is that a leak if no one knows what it was was? I just wanna know what crucial, game breaking info (beyond TLH playing yet another copy/paste templar) was revealed here, information so staggering and profound it required the game to shut down. Not saying that wasn't the case, I just haven't seen anything that noteworthy. [/quote] |
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Post by gringoose on Oct 22, 2024 2:59:29 GMT -5
I'm not celebrating this but I figured it was coming. There was some good that came out of Arm and the bad was especially bad to the point that very little of the good was even worth it. A lot of people got damaged by Arm. Staffers too.
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mehtastic
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Post by mehtastic on Oct 22, 2024 4:00:25 GMT -5
Personally, I am celebrating this, for the same reason you are not celebrating it. The Armageddon community is an ugly place, with ugly people in it. The community is debased past the point of redemption. The past 12 hours have proven this. The ineffective whining about me on here is whatever: that has always happened. The real ugliness is apparent in the way the playerbase treated this announcement with entitlement, rage, and suspicion. They read an announcement in which staff said that they are incredibly sad, tired, and have decided to give up rather than continue to play Among Us with the staff team. The players took those apparently heartfelt words and demanded the game reopen anyway. They demanded that producers fire all of the storytellers and hire new ones. They implied it's not so bad that some people had their information leaked, that simply not viewing the shadowboard would help. They proudly declared they would be leaving their OOC DIscord groups to help support the game. They volunteered to join staff themselves, when they never did every time the staff said they were short-handed. Nergal was right when he said "some of you simply disgust me". The game's community is full of disgusting people. Self-serving, callous, unable to appreciate that multiple people put in dozens of hours a week for their joy and yet they were still unhappy, still cheating, still spreading privileged information. What did they do when a mirror was held to them? They did their best to appear more disgusting. I look forward to anyone trying to refute any of what I've said. I don't expect that a good refutation will ever come. I am more than happy to claim responsibility for killing the game, but if we're being honest, the game was killed long ago by its self-serving players and self-interested staff. It could have closed with dignity and grace years ago; instead, it chose to drag its mortally wounded body across the sands until it passed out.
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Post by uncoolio on Oct 22, 2024 5:44:00 GMT -5
this narrative that there exists a staff leaker. I still don't get what was a) leaked and b) why it had to be a staffer. I mean maybe it was. Probably it was! But what information was a huge revelation? What information once exposed became game breaking? Mehtastic has posted some spoilers for the season plan that did look like they came directly from staff, and I do think that there probably are loose lips on staff, though I got the impression that the information was coming to Meh via some group of players who were being fed information by staff and not directly from some staffer with a pipeline of spoilers directly to the shadowboard. That's how it seemed to me, anyway.
These were not exactly big spoilers in the first place, and they were posted from an angle of "here's what's wrong with it and why S1 is being handled poorly." Like we heard what their plans were for step 2 and 3 of the copper rush and Magefall stuff and pointed out that step 1 wasn't done well enough for these subsequent steps to work out. It was critique, not just spoiling secrets. There was also some whistleblowing about staff feeding information to certain players who were using it to cheat. That's just whistleblowing on corruption, though.
One might argue that the game was going so poorly - especially towards the end here - that the reveals just helped to illustrate what went wrong. Nobody in their right mind could argue that S1 was done right and went well. It launched with a peak of 80 players, and after like three months, it had turbo-declined to the point where it struggled to reach peaks of 30. It was falling apart and spiraling the drain before the first chapter of the first season had even finished.
People are going to talk about something like that, but that's not possible on the GDB where any dissenting voice has always been fiercely stamped out. We all know what would have happened if anyone tried to raise concerns about the game's direction on the GDB or Arm's official Discord: you're labeled a problem player, and insane whiteknights from the community sweep in to insist that everything's going fine and you should shut up.
So instead, the shadowboard is (and has been, for years) the place where people come to talk about the game's problems. Staff has always interpreted this as an attack upon ArmageddonMUD and a concerted, organized effort to kill the game. All it is is an uncensored forum. Mehtastic learned one way or another that there were people on staff leaking information, and posted some of it here to show what was being leaked. I don't think it would have been the more responsible choice to just stay silent and let the cheating continue, but that appears to be what staff would have wanted.
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Post by mehtastic on Oct 22, 2024 6:32:41 GMT -5
All I have to add to that is: what I shared could not have received a better confirmation of veracity than the staff closing the game in response to what I posted. If the players want to pretend that most of the stuff said on here is bullshit, they will somehow have to reconcile that with the fact that the staff claim that the leaks were too demoralizing to continue relies on the fact that the information contained within those leaks is true. I am sure that they will rely on cognitive dissonance, as usual.
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delerak
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Post by delerak on Oct 22, 2024 7:15:05 GMT -5
Yesterday I was working out when I received the email of Arm's indefinite (hopefully temporary) closure. I placed the 45 pound plate back in its place and moved on to the cable machine. As I hefted the 200 pound stack of weight to isolate my back muscles I pondered about the game, my rocky and dramatic history with it. Those thoughts didn't last long as a friend approached for a conversation about some political nonsense.
I didn't think much about it the rest of the day until this morning I awoke and had a dream about the game the details of which I won't bore you with. I went about the morning routine of dressing, feeding and moving my progeny to their proper locations for the day. As I was preparing my oats, creatine, blueberries, walnuts and honey mixture I looked to my aged, carpal-tunnel ridden hands. 'The hands of a mudder these' I thought, forged of long nights hammering the keys with precision and blistering 140wpm speeds of daring shield wall rescues, kankback voyages into the deep desert, and enchanting oases encounters with strangers sharing a fire. I felt a light touch upon my mind and knew that there were Armers everywhere thinking similar thoughts and that brought a brief smile to my rugged face.
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And now to think that there's somehow a rat so perfidious that the game itself should die. What can I say? The rat is a product of its environment. You've done the right thing, whoever you are. Halaster lost the mandate (of ethics) when he ran cover for Shalooonsh — Seasons was a good idea, maybe it could have been great. But without the mandate, and with just a few bad choices on who to put in power, the game dies for the 2nd time this year. It didn't have to be this way.
