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Post by uncoolio on Oct 21, 2024 19:55:26 GMT -5
It reeks of "the game is clearly dying, but we don't have the balls to admit this, so we'll claim we had to close it for security reasons."
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Post by terminal on Oct 21, 2024 20:22:42 GMT -5
Imagine you are an innocent staff member who has never leaked information to anyone, has plugged away at Season One, and has been playing the game for years or perhaps decades before that. Then staff privately announce that there is a leaker on the team, and producers are begging for the leaker to come forward as they represent a major opsec risk to the game's functioning. You do not step forward because you have done nothing wrong, but at the same time you hope that whoever is responsible steps forward, and that it was simply an accident -- someone simply said too much to a friend, who passed it to another friend, who passed it to another friend, who passed it to mean ol' mehtastic who hates the game. A few days later, staff privately announce that if no one comes forward, the game will have to close, because producers cannot run the game if they do not trust all of the staff. Again, you cannot step forward because you have done nothing wrong, but now you are REALLY hoping someone will step forward because the game is at the precipice. Either someone comes forward, or the game you have been playing and working on for over a decade dies. The next day, no one has come forward, so the staff announce the game's closure. You are, understandably, sad. Then you read the player comments. The calls for producers to fire everyone and start over. The calls for producers to run the game WITHOUT staff, just as a hack-and-slash. The players announcing their general suspicion of the staff team, that anyone or everyone might be a shadowboard spy. The players starting up witch hunts, starting off by implying that newer staff are more likely to be responsible than older staff, which will inevitably lead to fingers being pointed at certain staff members. The players being more worried about their own PC's apartment leases than the health of the game. You, the innocent staff member, want to continue staffing for these cretins? Stop being a fucking simp. honestly so happy for you that even with the closure of the game you can still fanfic scenarios about it
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Post by mehtastic on Oct 21, 2024 20:28:57 GMT -5
The only way it's a fanfic is if everyone on staff is a leaker.
There are undoubtedly innocent staff who are watching the players shit on them, their trust, and their hard work.
But sure. Keep seething. That works too.
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Post by alleys on Oct 21, 2024 20:39:40 GMT -5
Dozens of people were having fun playing an RP-Mud. I was having fun. Now I can't because of some <insert some type of description for people who can't stand others having fun and spending good time>.
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 21, 2024 20:46:27 GMT -5
@pinkerdlu is right I've just been playing the long con all this time. Sitting on Armageddon with sub 30 avg players sex pesting but somehow never being mentioned by mehtastic's consistent reporting. You got me mate!
Anyway next steps... So Armageddon isn't the first RP game to ever break below the critical threshold of maintenance players. I'll assume that's the bigger reason because if you have ~25 avg players and 7 staff odds are 4 of those start are always logged in and 20 of those people are players. When MUSHes hit this problem some of them just go "private" or "invite" only. Normally this is the death of a game because there's something about a private text-based game that lacks the impact of an open one. To familiar, to predictable, to high of a chance of a super clique. I could see Armageddon trying some kind of invite only mode. Perhaps we'll see break through the holidays and a feburary/march seasons 2 relaunch. I guess it kind of depends how sticky the community is and whether they linger around the project. Or we just see the final I'm to old for this shit. Nostalgia and community "reputation" is only so strong to motivate time commitment. Personally in the wise words of people helping others with internet bullying (which is basically what the announcement is comaplining about)... How are they bullying you on the internet, just don't read it?
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Post by mehtastic on Oct 21, 2024 20:46:56 GMT -5
Dozens of people were having fun playing an RP-Mud. I was having fun. Now I can't because of some <insert some type of description for people who can't stand others having fun and spending good time>. The players can play the blame game all they want, but the official reason for the game's closure is that the producers felt they could not run a game with staff they cannot trust because at least one of them is feeding information to players. The producers closed the game. 1+ staff members broke the producers' trust. The cheating players used staff information to their benefit. It seems like it is pretty clear why you can't have fun.
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Post by mehtastic on Oct 21, 2024 20:56:16 GMT -5
@pinkerdlu is right I've just been playing the long con all this time. Sitting on Armageddon with sub 30 avg players sex pesting but somehow never being mentioned by mehtastic's consistent reporting. You got me mate! Anyway next steps... So Armageddon isn't the first RP game to ever break below the critical threshold of maintenance players. I'll assume that's the bigger reason because if you have ~25 avg players and 7 staff odds are 4 of those start are always logged in and 20 of those people are players. When MUSHes hit this problem some of them just go "private" or "invite" only. Normally this is the death of a game because there's something about a private text-based game that lacks the impact of an open one. To familiar, to predictable, to high of a chance of a super clique. I could see Armageddon trying some kind of invite only mode. Perhaps we'll see break through the holidays and a feburary/march seasons 2 relaunch. I guess it kind of depends how sticky the community is and whether they linger around the project. Or we just see the final I'm to old for this shit. Nostalgia and community "reputation" is only so strong to motivate time commitment. Personally in the wise words of people helping others with internet bullying (which is basically what the announcement is comaplining about)... How are they bullying you on the internet, just don't read it? Invite-only was Brokkr's idea. It was perhaps the most unpopular idea to ever be exposed to the playerbase. Even if it were to be implemented, it would be indistinguishable from the game dying. The public sees "closed to the public" as closed.
Season 2 isn't happening. If staff believe there is a leaker among them, then there is no way they can plan a storyline without worrying it will be leaked here. Producers already used canary traps to prevent Season 1's planning from leaking word-for-word.
Barring some change of heart from the producers, or a random staff member being framed for leaking things to me, Armageddon is dead. That's it.
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Post by pinkerdlu on Oct 21, 2024 21:30:04 GMT -5
@pinkerdlu is right I've just been playing the long con all this time. Sitting on Armageddon with sub 30 avg players sex pesting but somehow never being mentioned by mehtastic's consistent reporting. You got me mate! Anyway next steps... So Armageddon isn't the first RP game to ever break below the critical threshold of maintenance players. I'll assume that's the bigger reason because if you have ~25 avg players and 7 staff odds are 4 of those start are always logged in and 20 of those people are players. When MUSHes hit this problem some of them just go "private" or "invite" only. Normally this is the death of a game because there's something about a private text-based game that lacks the impact of an open one. To familiar, to predictable, to high of a chance of a super clique. I could see Armageddon trying some kind of invite only mode. Perhaps we'll see break through the holidays and a feburary/march seasons 2 relaunch. I guess it kind of depends how sticky the community is and whether they linger around the project. Or we just see the final I'm to old for this shit. Nostalgia and community "reputation" is only so strong to motivate time commitment. Personally in the wise words of people helping others with internet bullying (which is basically what the announcement is comaplining about)... How are they bullying you on the internet, just don't read it? *doesn't read this cause ur bullying me * Barring some change of heart from the producers, or a random staff member being framed for leaking things to me, Armageddon is dead. That's it.
There would have to be a change of heart and redoubling of effort to bring Armageddon back into maintenance mode. It was already dying a slow, perpetual and painful death regardless. It would also be hilarious if this was a harebrained ploy to draw out a potential leaker. They did say they invested hundreds (thousands?) of hours into "investigating" this. I wonder how that went. Gossiping on wiznet and Discord ever since Seasons launched and complaining about the Shadowboard/enemies of the staff clique? I can imagine how terrible and demoralizing this whole experience was for the average Storyteller; half of the playerbase simply sucked and had to suffer under a few awful sponsored roles who didn't have much to work with in the first place.
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Post by hates2 on Oct 21, 2024 22:23:03 GMT -5
What do they have to lose by just handing the keys over to Delerak?
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Post by ask on Oct 21, 2024 22:28:33 GMT -5
even here and now there is complete mistrust in one another. Of course, there's not going to be any trust in that community. It has evolved into something big and ugly, that is the laughingstock of the RPI community.
I hope other games fare better. But it starts with staff not being fucking morons, because you lead by example.
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Post by poorimpulsecontrol on Oct 21, 2024 22:46:54 GMT -5
What do they have to lose by just handing the keys over to Delerak? #Delerak2024
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Oct 21, 2024 22:49:09 GMT -5
What do they have to lose by just handing the keys over to Delerak? #Delerak2024 been saying it for years #Delerak2024
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Post by jesantu on Oct 21, 2024 22:51:19 GMT -5
Wait, what was even "leaked" here aside from all of TLH's vanity projects and that every character he's ever made has a name ending in K? If there were screen shots of internal staff discussions and shit like that I missed it.
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Post by generality on Oct 21, 2024 23:08:06 GMT -5
Making comments about how the wrong people get afforded virtual kudos ingame when they do nothing aside from kill people and stalk other players isn't leaking sensitive information, it is observing dumb stuff and complaining about it on a forum where you can.
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Post by jesantu on Oct 21, 2024 23:21:43 GMT -5
Making comments about how the wrong people get afforded virtual kudos ingame when they do nothing aside from kill people and stalk other players isn't leaking sensitive information, it is observing dumb stuff and complaining about it on a forum where you can. That's what I thought too but just for the record: was there anything actually legitimately leaked beyond who plays who and other gossipy shit like that? What revelation was so great it led to the entire game being shut down?
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