baron
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Post by baron on Oct 29, 2024 15:58:26 GMT -5
Personally, I enjoyed reading the content documents. There are some sincerely cool ideas in there. In particular the idea of bronze being an anti-magic equalizer is a good one, and "MageFall" as a season title finally makes sense, though the effect should have been far more pronounced, IMO. (also, trashing the mage quarter in Chapter Two should have been chapter 1.3.)
The necromancer class does strike me as a bit much. But you know? It had potential to be cool, in moderation.
But my main takeaway from those docs is just how impenetrable the meta-plot was to the average player. My final character was at the battle of the chasm, a sponsored "secret" role in fact. Despite contacts within Luirs Outpost and beyond, an active investigation into what was happening with the help of other players, I knew almost nothing about what that battle was about, and I don't think my peers did either, not until reading those content docs 5 minutes ago.
The OOC channels were *necessary* to play the game, because otherwise, all players would have been like me: utterly clueless as to what was happening.
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Patuk
Shartist
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Post by Patuk on Oct 29, 2024 16:40:24 GMT -5
Personally, I enjoyed reading the content documents. There are some sincerely cool ideas in there. In particular the idea of bronze being an anti-magic equalizer is a good one, and "MageFall" as a season title finally makes sense, though the effect should have been far more pronounced, IMO. (also, trashing the mage quarter in Chapter Two should have been chapter 1.3.) The necromancer class does strike me as a bit much. But you know? It had potential to be cool, in moderation. But my main takeaway from those docs is just how impenetrable the meta-plot was to the average player. My final character at the battle of the chasm, a sponsored "secret" role in fact. Despite contacts within Luirs Outpost and beyond, an active investigation into what was happening with the help of other players, I knew almost nothing about what that battle was about, and I don't think my peers did either, not until reading those content docs 5 minutes ago. The OOC channels were *necessary* to play the game, because otherwise, all players would have been like me: utterly clueless as to what was happening. Yeah, man, it got bad. I had a character in Tuluk, a sponsored sergeant, someone trying desperately to mount something approximating a defence to stupid amounts of randomly-spawned kryl nests and any rando mage dicking us over if they so felt like it and some sorcerous bullshit over that way. I paid money out of own pocket to every single one person who got kryl burns in these efforts and in general tried to fight the kryl etc as best I could, because I do in fact like banding together with PCs in ways that builds a little rapport and is (hopefully) fun for all. And if it's not- don't join! I know better than to try and press randos into joining places they'd rather not But even in doing this, and in generally trying to do well about this, I was kept out of the loop, entirely and fully, for my PC's entire tenure. On multiple occasions I tried asking NPC templars what was up while they were animated. I got an answer all of once, and it was an extremely stern 'best not ask about these things' At least Jula got her cool magical weapon though. Priorities! |
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jenki
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Post by jenki on Oct 29, 2024 17:02:21 GMT -5
Mehtastic, it's ironic some blame you for the game closing. I guess killing the messenger is a totally reasonable thing to do when the message exposes the real problem, their own complicity. The ironic thing is this kind of thing has gone on for decades. I guess after all the game's gone through, most of the ethical players have moved on and now that's left is the bottom of the barrel, so it's likely that this kind of behavior is more widespread.
So sad, oh well.... it's my hope the addicted will use this opportunity as a catalyst for rebirth and growth.
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mehtastic
GDB Superstar
Armers Anonymous sponsor
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Post by mehtastic on Oct 29, 2024 17:23:51 GMT -5
Mehtastic, it's ironic some blame you for the game closing. I guess killing the messenger is a totally reasonable thing to do when the message exposes the real problem, their own complicity. The ironic thing is this kind of thing has gone on for decades. I guess after all the game's gone through, most of the ethical players have moved on and now that's left is the bottom of the barrel, so it's likely that this kind of behavior is more widespread. So sad, oh well.... it's my hope the addicted will use this opportunity as a catalyst for rebirth and growth. I hope the people addicted to this game find a way to move on with their lives. Although, from watching the cliques churn, my impression was that a lot of those people are more addicted to the drama and intrigue surrounding the game than the game itself. They would most likely fit right in with a group that does LARPing and/or social deduction games, where their interests will be more acceptable and also have a natural containment within the time bounds of a single game. It's also possible they might not fit in with such a group, since the expectation of fair play and good sportsmanship is one I feel a lot of Armageddon players wouldn't be able to meet.
I could see a group of 10 random Armers getting together to play Secret Hitler devolving into shouting matches and fistfights though.
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payne
staff puppet account
Afraid of the Light
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Post by payne on Oct 29, 2024 17:25:14 GMT -5
can't get embedding an image to work so here's a copy paste of the discord message i wanted to post
bit surprised it wasn't deleted honestly but I guess no staffer noticed or they don't care enough to stifle all criticism at this point
agreed that not releasing it all publicly if the game is actually permanently shutting down is an asinine decision
well within their rights but really scummy
that's all
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ask
Clueless newb
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Post by ask on Oct 29, 2024 17:35:45 GMT -5
can't get embedding an image to work so here's a copy paste of the discord message i wanted to post
bit surprised it wasn't deleted honestly but I guess no staffer noticed or they don't care enough to stifle all criticism at this point
agreed that not releasing it all publicly if the game is actually permanently shutting down is an asinine decision
well within their rights but really scummy
that's all
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punished ppurg
GDB Superstar
Why are we still here? Just to suffer?
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Post by punished ppurg on Oct 29, 2024 17:42:07 GMT -5
I love LC. Tell him to send me a discord message! Watch out. Some dumbass will construct a narrative of you stalking this person over the course of seven years if you ask for any networking on this forum. |
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Post by uncoolio on Oct 29, 2024 18:29:21 GMT -5
I find it hilarious that Mansa is one of the worst cheaters around in terms of membership in 'illicit' Discord/Private Chats. Dude was the head moderator for a while. I had a PC that got PKed by Mansa years ago that was a long time associate of one of his PCs, and a new PC had shown up out of nowhere that was acting like he was the boss of my PC. My PC tells him something along the lines of, go stick it up your ass, and then that PC and Mansa are suddenly best buddies and show up and PK mine together. Now it makes sense, I wasn't in the OOC clique. He's always been a piece of shit. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if he was cheating up a storm as staff, considering what a dishonest asshole he was as a player. Anytime I've been stuck playing with/around him, the OOC collusion was palpable, and he had no qualms resorting to all-out griefing, like attacking people so that clanned NPCs would assist him and instakill the target. Pure scum who masqueraded as a helpful veteran. |
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Post by rinthrat on Oct 29, 2024 18:52:32 GMT -5
A cursory glance over the past couple years' release notes makes fairly clear that Halaster just really likes magic. This isn't a secret, he's said as much himself, but it really is in fact a tip-off that playing a mundane PC means barely playing the same game, yes. Yeah I read all of that and thought "I wasn't even playing the same game as the rest of them" |
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Post by jcarter on Oct 29, 2024 19:59:45 GMT -5
there's two groups in arm. the ones involved in cool plots, acting as upper crust, high-level elementals, or custom-coded necromancers and those that exist largely to be fodder for them. it's always been like that. membership in the group changes -- e.g. you can be in the 'haves' on one character and the 'have-nots' on the other, but let's be realistic here: the game has 'have-nots' to be fodder for the 'haves'. nobody is rolling in off the street and getting to be a 'have' though; staff gates it and MAYBE your special application will get picked.
the bulk of spoilers serves for the 'haves'. magickal shit, plotlines in which fodder will be wiped out by mega bosses with ridiculous stats and abilities so that nobles could get copper, new spells for sorcerers, new abilities for mages, etc.
where were the improvements for the mundanes? basic systems to make the gameplay loop of gathering resources important, meaningful, or have any dependance on it? why the fuck would anyone want to walk into this game after seeing a post for it and sign up to be a byn trooper? oh boy, 100+ hours of grinding out combat skill gains just to go on a mission in the sewers where a trapdoor opens and slides me to my death.
i'm disappointed in the end of things. it's clear halaster and the other 'producers' who may or may not have actually had any sway were in over their heads. season 1 lasted for a total of six months. they could've just walked away and left it open on the table for someone to take over, or released the code. but in pure arm fashion, if they can't get what they want then no one can.
goodbye armageddon mud, may you rest in piss.
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Post by generality on Oct 29, 2024 20:10:45 GMT -5
Mundanes had more opportunities to be fodder for yet another psionic kaiju.
I would say have, but we know how that went.
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Post by gringoose on Oct 29, 2024 20:27:36 GMT -5
I had a PC that got PKed by Mansa years ago that was a long time associate of one of his PCs, and a new PC had shown up out of nowhere that was acting like he was the boss of my PC. My PC tells him something along the lines of, go stick it up your ass, and then that PC and Mansa are suddenly best buddies and show up and PK mine together. Now it makes sense, I wasn't in the OOC clique. He's always been a piece of shit. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if he was cheating up a storm as staff, considering what a dishonest asshole he was as a player. Anytime I've been stuck playing with/around him, the OOC collusion was palpable, and he had no qualms resorting to all-out griefing, like attacking people so that clanned NPCs would assist him and instakill the target. Pure scum who masqueraded as a helpful veteran. Yeah and there was no point to complaining about it even if he were caught red handed nothing would happen to him. It may even draw negative staff attention on you catch their paragon of the community cheating. |
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Post by blahblahblah on Oct 29, 2024 20:51:31 GMT -5
Lol @ this unreleased content. A brand new necromancer guild for staff alts to play in. Full elemental transformations with huge bonuses. Big scary monsters to wipe out parties. why would anyone want to ever play a mundane character when it seems like all the cool stuff and content are things they'll never get access to or be instagibbed by? Why do I have a suspicion that the first and most prolific necromancer would be played by halaster? good riddance.
Hold up a sec. Elemental transformations rings a bell. We were asked years ago, when I was a helper, to write up some fantastical elementals. Eukelade and I were pretty much the only two regularly trying to churn them out, and the instructions were super vague. I would have thought those would have been released by now, if they are the same ones. There haven't been any up til this point? Just pure curiosity on my part.
Yeah, I learned pretty damned early to never play that forum werewolf, or whatever, game. I've played with so many other groups and it's never gotten near hostile before.
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baron
Clueless newb
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Post by baron on Oct 29, 2024 22:47:52 GMT -5
I'm mostly mildly certain there have been elementalists who transcended into elemental forms before. I think the new bit was codifying it such that it was a thing that happened to all max-branched elementalists, rather than just by narrative/storyteller fiat.
Also, the best social deduction game is Blood on the Clocktower. It actually is what armageddon politics aspired to be in a 1 to 2 hour package.
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Post by generality on Oct 29, 2024 23:03:11 GMT -5
I find it hilarious that Mansa is one of the worst cheaters around in terms of membership in 'illicit' Discord/Private Chats. Dude was the head moderator for a while. Not actually a cheater, just a floormat enabler apparently. |
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