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Post by mehtastic on Aug 18, 2024 17:06:31 GMT -5
For those who may not know, staff have an official policy of not using NPCs to engage in plots of a romantic and sexual nature, and plots that are specifically designed to harm a PC. From rumors and log snippets I've seen, it would seem that at least one staff member has decided to disregard these rules in a really weird way. At least twice, I've heard about NPCs that try to cuck a PC, for lack of a better term. They go in and try to break up two PCs, then try to woo one half of the broken-up pair. This is clearly harming a PC by attacking their relationship and clearly breaking the staff's rule on non-involvement in romantic plotlines. Rather than have another Shalooonsh situation, I figured it would be best to start getting this out in the open. The problem is -- I don't have any logs that are in public areas of the game, so it's impossible to sanitize the log to make it look like any of a large number of players could have leaked it. These logs typically involve 1 PC and 1 NPC, which makes whistleblowing without fear of retribution difficult for the players involved. So I'm putting the call out there. If you have a log you're not worried about being seen by the public, post it here or DM it to me. Or just post memes. I'm not your dad.
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Post by jkarr on Aug 18, 2024 19:01:40 GMT -5
five sid says its friday
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Post by pinkerdlu on Aug 18, 2024 21:13:21 GMT -5
Shit I'd bet a large.
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Post by Patuk on Aug 18, 2024 22:43:49 GMT -5
I hope these are just baseless rumors, but if not.. Well, if not, it'd be the funniest little anecdote in quite a bit of a while. Jesus lmao.
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Post by mehtastic on Aug 19, 2024 6:37:36 GMT -5
I wish these were baseless rumors, but they are not. I've posted this with the knowledge that the producers and the most likely offending staff member read this board regularly enough that they will see this post very soon, if they haven't seen it already, and maybe do something about it before it gets worse and hurts more people. If it is Is Friday/Valkyrja -- which I can neither confirm nor deny -- then I would find that genuinely sad. The last remaining non-cynical part of my brain thought that Armageddon getting a professional DM willing to waste their free time staffing the game would be nothing but a win for Armageddon's culture. In my experience, professional DMs have a very keen understanding of what truly terrible DMing looks like. They are aware of just how much damage to the hobby is inflicted by pimply-faced DMs who try to put players into weird and creepy sexual situations in TTRPG campaigns. Such genuine sadness might have motivated me to create this post, if I was able to confirm that Is Friday/Valkyrja was involved, which I cannot. In my view, the worse and more blatantly wrong aspect to this is the harm done to existing PC relationships. Having an NPC push their way into such a relationship for no other reason except to break it up seems really weird and creepy to me, even if the romantic aspect is entirely faded. It seems like staff running a plot with the primary aim of harming a PC, which is clearly not allowed, and hasn't been allowed since long before Shalooonsh was a thing. Because the staff can't run 360 noscope gith attacks or throw perfectly aimed molotov cocktails at the annoying aide PC, they've now started to interfere with players' ERP. But instead of falling back on the old pasttime of instakilling humans RPing getting anally penetrated by half-giants, they do this. "But Mehtastic what if the NPC gets consent?" Getting valid consent isn't possible if the staff member has made an effort to make the NPC look like a PC to the player, because it's deceptive. It's also not possible to get valid consent if at any point the player feels like they have to give consent because it's a staff member who's asking. Any honest staff member should be able to see why it is weird and creepy to ask for consent as an NPC, for the same reasons why sponsored roles have to ask for consent earlier than regular PCs. Players are being held to a standard beyond what staff hold themselves to, which will do nothing but continue to feed into the mistrust of staff that many players understandably hold. The good news is: if this is happening, then there is a paper trail. The producers are free to check the run logs to see if what I'm saying is bullshit or not, and if not, then do something about it before things get worse. Or, they could pretend it's bullshit as they usually do, wait until the logs start getting around, then deal with angry players knowing that the producers knew all this time. But a small amount of damage has already been done, because the NPCs were already animated to do harm to PCs, and have already used the staff/player imbalance and deception to get consent. Do staff want to shut this down now before it gets worse, or let it get worse and deal with a Shalooonsh level explosion a few months down the line?
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Post by punished ppurg on Aug 19, 2024 7:31:01 GMT -5
It couldn't be friepie. Talia did that forced marriage to a retard noble npc / forced dysgenic pregnancy rp stuff back in the Nyr days, which was the catalyst for all of the bullshit around Kitt. Friepie wouldn't perpetuate the cycle.
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Post by Patuk on Aug 19, 2024 8:17:10 GMT -5
Eh, logs or didn't happen. We're fresh off a guy making stuff up to be the victim (hi doublepalli), it is patently too easy to do so.
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Post by mehtastic on Aug 19, 2024 8:43:02 GMT -5
Fair. Now we wait and see if we get a log that someone doesn't mind sharing at the risk of being Bebop'd out of the game for "leaking information"!
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Post by Patuk on Aug 19, 2024 8:54:37 GMT -5
Fair. Now we wait and see if we get a log that someone doesn't mind sharing at the risk of being Bebop'd out of the game for "leaking information"! If someone has logs and doesn't share them because they're scared they can't go back to playing a cuck, they are in fact the cuck and I'll not respect them anyway.
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Post by generality on Aug 19, 2024 10:02:47 GMT -5
Usiku has gone into damage control, I'm not saying it happened but it seems to be a possibility.
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Post by pinkerdlu on Aug 19, 2024 10:10:16 GMT -5
Fair. Now we wait and see if we get a log that someone doesn't mind sharing at the risk of being Bebop'd out of the game for "leaking information"! If someone has logs and doesn't share them because they're scared they can't go back to playing a cuck, they are in fact the cuck and I'll not respect them anyway. Pretty much yeah. If you're getting cucked by staff and you're too scared to speak up about it publicly, let alone quit the game when you're clearly being wronged... At what point do you deserve it? Probably as soon as you logged in, with how much dirt there is on Armageddon at this point. Have some dignity, share your story, quit the game and move on. Don't let parasites retain any sort of control or influence over you.
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Post by terminal on Aug 19, 2024 14:34:04 GMT -5
my read:
char #1 and char #2 are in a relationship. char #2 is played by an unhinged sex pest or some other variety of ooc cling lord. char #1 sends a request asking for ideas to deal with it that don't break character. char #2 technically isn't breaking any rules. someone on staff comes up with a simple enough plot (in collaboration with said player) to lure char #1 away from that relationship and give them a nice clean out. char #1 roleplays this. char #2 complains to their ooc friends about being "cucked".
i don't think ANY romance plot is a great idea between staff and pcs, regardless of the rules around it, but i'd like to give staff credit for addressing it to begin with and putting up boundaries.. even if i wish they were different. they've been a whole hell of a lot more proactive about those things and i've had personal experience with that as i've brought things to them in the relatively recent past. something that received attention that was very specifically ignored by a now-gone staff member a ~yr ago.
maybe it's a thing. hopefully it isn't. maybe it's someone who should be banned throwing a fit because their online gf/bf got taken away from them in a way that looks different than it has in the past; when the other player had to quit or store to get away.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Aug 19, 2024 15:17:10 GMT -5
an unhinged sex pest or some other variety of ooc cling lord
why are these so goddAMN COMMON IN THE MUD COMMUNITY AT LARGE jesus screaming in agony on the cross christ
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Post by blahblahblah on Aug 19, 2024 17:36:04 GMT -5
Ooof.
I don't know Usiku, but I like the way that they handle most things. Still. They have a real issue with taking unnecessary potshots. Instead of being happy that the someone in the community or community-adjacent brings up a concern, there's still the sense that unless someone speaks specifically through feedback what they say is to be discarded or discredited. This is part of why the Mud community at large dislikes even hearing about Armageddon if shit goes down. You can promise that a staff member will get pissed at people talking about a "situation".
Oh, but what if you put in a request, you say? Staff and player complaints take damn near an eternity to resolve to the point that your character will likely die of the situation before you get any kind of help. So... fuck that. Unless staff can prove with an established track record that they can be trusted to resolve issues fairly and in a timely manner, no one owes them trust. Talking outside the community has proven to be the fastest and most reliable way to get things done when things go ass up.
I dunno. Maybe they should be happy for the heads up, and keep the pointed commentary to themselves, because it's yet another reason to NOT put faith in their efforts.
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Post by generality on Aug 19, 2024 22:09:07 GMT -5
The request system is great and all, but it will be a limbo unless you are one of the chosen ones. Unless it'll mean they can ban you for something and wave off your concerns as a disgruntled ex-player.
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