jenki
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Thryzn
Mar 12, 2023 18:03:52 GMT -5
Post by jenki on Mar 12, 2023 18:03:52 GMT -5
I'm glad my post about Thryzn has got not one, but two new people on this board to shit talk everyone. Anyway: What are the stats like on them? Thryzn - Stats: [5d4+4, 5d4+4, 2d6+4, 5d4+4], Dam: [1d8+1], Life Spn: [36] Off base: [10], Def base: [10], Nat Armor: [10] (may not be current, 2002 version)
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Thryzn
Mar 12, 2023 18:07:11 GMT -5
Post by lechuck on Mar 12, 2023 18:07:11 GMT -5
I get the feeling that you're actually just against the very notion of criticizing anyone's roleplay.
Grudash, the apparent leader of the Thryzn, a race that requires two karma and is offered only to handpicked players, displayed such extreme twinking and such a lack of effort in the portrayal of his character that it very much deserves to be called out in a thread specifically about that clan. If you play a prominent role like that and then behave the way he does, you should expect people to point it out. ArmageddonMUD's rock-bottom roleplaying standards are what they are precisely because everyone's so afraid of pointing out that fact. Maybe if more people called a spade a spade, Arm wouldn't have such laughably low roleplaying standards, where high-karma leadership PCs go around sparring for two hours straight on a regular basis and barely emote or otherwise characterize. You just seem like you don't think it's right to point that out. You don't appear to disagree with what I'm saying, you're literally just against my right to say it.
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Thryzn
Mar 12, 2023 18:15:37 GMT -5
Post by lechuck on Mar 12, 2023 18:15:37 GMT -5
I'm glad my post about Thryzn has got not one, but two new people on this board to shit talk everyone. Anyway: What are the stats like on them? Thryzn - Stats: [5d4+4, 5d4+4, 2d6+4, 5d4+4], Dam: [1d8+1], Life Spn: [36] Off base: [10], Def base: [10], Nat Armor: [10] (may not be current) I really doubt those are current. If they are, those are some utterly insane stats for a race that isn't saddled with any disadvantages whatsoever besides being limited to its own tribes. That would give them the following stat parameters: Strength: 9-24 Agility: 9-24 Wisdom: 6-16 Endurance: 9-24 For reference, humans have the following stats: Strength: 10-19 Agility: 10-19 Wisdom: 8-20 Endurance: 10-19 It would give thryzn 2 more strength and endurance than dwarves, and only 2 less agility than elves. And crap wisdom, but that pretty much doesn't matter as that stat is nearly irrelevant for almost all characters. I'm guessing you've been shown some outdated stats from ages ago that only apply to NPC thryzn, kinda like how the code contains stat formula for demons and all kinds of weird shit that never actually mattered. If staff actually gave thryzn 5d4+4 in all physical stats, they're out of their minds.
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joe
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Thryzn
Mar 12, 2023 18:17:11 GMT -5
Post by joe on Mar 12, 2023 18:17:11 GMT -5
I would love to hear more criticism like that and think we should be able to discus things earlier than a year...kindly...gently...not attacking the players and saying they suck.
So I gather you didn't like the coded capabilities of these characters and found their sparring for ingame days immersion breaking (Can I assume you do not find characters being awake, chatting for several days, and that our average rpt takes...two to three days in game, maybe more? no one ever sleeps...does that break your immersion or is it different in some way?) ...so hanging out with them, watching them play this game the way they are enjoying playing it breaks your immersion, but twinking on gith doesn't?
Can you share some of the ways Sud was a shining example of a dwarf that all the other dwarves should have followed? Maybe they were the twinks, those other dwarves...
What would you have liked to see out of the characters? Was the half giant Jumbo a terrible player...or was 'retarded' and 'horrible idiot' actually not an insult?? Fuck you man, you're calling other players retarded and morons and your own fucking roleplay sucked. You haven't even demonstrated that you aren't just a twink dwarf who isn't disappointed because they were the biggest baddest most notorious one in the room. You didn't even try to get at the guild though the sewers. You failed to make that character interesting. Sorry those other people didn't make your character interesting, it doesn't sound like you did anything other that attack npcs and vnpcs. Boring as fuck man. Tell me othewise. Did you do anything interesting with PCs or create any story beyond 'sap npc.noble' / hide ?
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Thryzn
Mar 12, 2023 18:25:04 GMT -5
Post by supersmashbro on Mar 12, 2023 18:25:04 GMT -5
Why not post logs of each other sparring? Let some third parties be the judge or like anything real to point to for how good of a RPer they are instead of this wankery
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joe
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Thryzn
Mar 12, 2023 18:29:40 GMT -5
Post by joe on Mar 12, 2023 18:29:40 GMT -5
Anyways, to take a pause from grunting and telling lechuck to fuck off...
I believe there was an official statement on gdb that Thryzn matched human stats. I think the post is on the 'general' of the gdb which is is laughably inaccessible but I am pretty sure that they are humans. Plenty of them have died. Grudash is a long lived character. THG is a long lived character. Most of the masterless and anyone who can visit that area is generally a mid to long lived character so what do you expect? It's not stats it's longevity. Oh...maybe he has an AI. Like you? But you weren't worshipped? Oh my.
Shit dude, again, sorry your character was boring for you. The hostility seems unwarranted and is definitely not helpful. Grudash is an interesting character. I liked THG character (who I've met over multiple characters over the fucking years man) and while I'm not sure if I like THG emoting style he is totally IC. I suspect (and could be wrong) that English isn't his first language (...and on that note there are plenty of visually impaired, neurodivergent, and maybe even people that are smarter or less smart and have different levels of writing...so who the fuck are you to use such language?) Stop being an ass. Do better. Yeah, those are my fucking demands. I demand it of staff and I demand it of you and if you don't like it fuck you.
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joe
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Thryzn
Mar 12, 2023 18:30:58 GMT -5
Post by joe on Mar 12, 2023 18:30:58 GMT -5
Why not post logs of each other sparring? Let some third parties be the judge or like anything real to point to for how good of a RPer they are instead of this wankery I feel like wankery may be a very fucking appropriate word to describe this.
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Thryzn
Mar 12, 2023 18:46:54 GMT -5
Post by lechuck on Mar 12, 2023 18:46:54 GMT -5
I dunno, the numerous players who have told me they loved playing with me and complimented my roleplay kind of tells me I probably didn't suck as much as you desperately want people to think I do. I don't go around tooting my own horn, though. I'm not comfortable telling people I'm a good player. I never do that. Receiving kudos and PMs from people telling me they're sad I quit because they really enjoyed playing with me does leave me fairly confident that I wasn't the crappy player you and prodoman are trying so, so hard to convince this community of. Starting to notice a lot of similarities between your approach and prodoman's, as a matter of fact.
But let's play ball. Unfortunately, I don't log my play, so I can't actually present you with examples of my roleplay--but let me give you examples of how I portrayed my dwarven focus:
The focus was 'become notorious and feared in Allanak,' stemming from growing up at the bottom of society and being shat on from a great height all his life. After a brief stint in the Byn, I was told about the Masterless and decided to seek them out and join them since their reputation aligned with my focus. The clan leader had a personal vendetta against a Tor templar, and his right-hand (wo)man was an escaped Borsail slave, so I went back into Allanak and mugged a Borsail guard and a Tor guard (NPCs) in order to bring these two PCs some interesting items that might fuel their rivalries/concepts. Brought a Tor sword to Three Howling Gortoks and a few bits of assorted wyvern regalia for Era. Before going back to the Refuge, I sold some of the leftover items I had mugged in the bazaar. You shouldn't really be selling noble house gear to merchants, but it honestly didn't even occur to me at the time, I just figured it was that or junk it, and it made no sense to literally throw away items just because they happened to have been looted from a noble house guard. Ideally, such items wouldn't be sellable at all if they're meant to be universally recognizable as property of noble houses, but it just didn't really cross my mind at that moment.
So when I logged in the next day, some anonymous staff member goes "you've been selling noble house equipment, so we're making you permanently wanted in Allanak." Welp, that certainly makes it difficult to pursue any plots in there. I informed staff that I intended to apply to have this removed after one in-game year, and then I spent that amount of time with the Masterless. My character would constantly ponder ways of getting back into Allanak, talk about how much it bothered him to be unable to do so, and generally invoke it into almost every moment of my RP. I spent a good deal of time looking for someone who might know the way through the sewers, because while I can go and look at a map of it, my PC had no justification for knowing the way and it would have been extremely abusive to traverse the like 150-room maze full of dangers without any explanation. The fact that you're wondering why I didn't do that, all while calling me a twink and a bad roleplayer, says a lot more about you than it does about me.
Anyway, an in-game year passed and I sent in a request asking to have the wanted flag removed. Staff complied and I was once more able to get into Allanak. The first thing I did was seek out the Guild and start to establish a relationship with them. They didn't seem to be doing a whole lot so it was hard to find any footholds there, but I spent quite a bit of time hanging out in the Folley and talking to the scant few PCs in the 'rinth.
Eventually I decided that I had to be the one to instigate some RP there because they were giving me nothing whatsoever to work with, so I came up with an idea for a small plot: I would obtain a noble's signet ring and fence it to the Guild. It would be interesting for them to have an opportunity to play fence with an item of actual significance, allowing one of the traditional criminal roles to actually come into play. It would likely get word out to certain people (including law enforcement, in all likelihood) that I had obtained a noble's signet ring, which served Sud's ambition of becoming notorious in Allanak. And it would give law enforcement something to look into as well. I figured that with the nothingburger that was the Copper Non-War, they might appreciate having something to investigate and care about since they didn't get to do any real soldiering up north after all.
But I obviously wasn't going to go and gank a PC noble just to nab their ring. For one thing, I haven't seen a PC noble in Allanak since sometime last spring, so I don't even think I'd be able to do that, but nor would I want to. That'd be a shitty move to do to a total stranger with no preceding roleplay for the sake of a token item. As such, I decided to target an NPC noble instead. I went and sapped one, knocking it clean out, and took the ring--no witnesses aside from omnipresent hypothetical vNPCs. I became wanted, and after fucking around in stealth for like two hours, it became apparent that the wanted flag was permanent. So... I had to leave Allanak again. Staff confirmed that it was indeed permanent, and intended. That was the second time my PC became perma-wanted despite never getting caught, never engaging in PvP at all, and not even killing the NPC targets.
I spent a few days pondering what to do, but my desire to continue playing was pretty much gone by then, so I told staff that their policy had cost them another player. That's the end of that story, foiled at every turn when all I wanted to do was create roleplay without twinking or making the game a worse place for other players.
So fuck you if you're still gonna tell me I was a shitty player.
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joe
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Thryzn
Mar 12, 2023 18:57:16 GMT -5
Post by joe on Mar 12, 2023 18:57:16 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing the overall story of Sud...and I agree, that sounds fairly unsatisfying.
All I've shared is that I played a character that interacted with Sud and I don't think either of us enjoyed roleplaying with each other through those characters...although that doesn't make you a bad player or Sud a bad character just because you bored me. I only knew about lets say a third of Sud's story before this thread.
I didn't like how you insulted all of those players though. That's where I took offense. I liked a lot of those characters when I came into contact with them.
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Post by lechuck on Mar 12, 2023 19:12:17 GMT -5
If someone with 2+ karma in a privileged, handpicked leadership role can't restrain themselves from sparring for literal RL hours straight, they deserve to be called out for that. That was some of the most egregious powergaming I have ever witnessed, and it was done as a daily routine, not some one-off thing, and by someone who should have been setting examples of good roleplay. It's inexcusable. I'm not the only one who thinks that about Grudash and THG, by the way--I'm just the only one who has been willing to voice it. Lots of people roll their eyes at it and talk behind the dude's back in Discord groups and PMs and whatnot. Just yesterday I received the following PM: As far as Jumbo goes, it's just another in an endless line of cringeworthy "me Tarzan, me strong but friendly " HGs that the documentation literally spells out not to do. Like the half-giant helpfile straight up tells you not to play that way, and that PC (as with so many other HGs, frankly) felt like it had misunderstood and taken the 'don't play this way' disclaimer as actual instructions on how to play. The whole 'me am Jumbo, hello friend!' thing grates on my nerves.
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jenki
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Thryzn
Mar 12, 2023 19:15:09 GMT -5
Post by jenki on Mar 12, 2023 19:15:09 GMT -5
I really doubt those are current. If they are, those are some utterly insane stats for a race that isn't saddled with any disadvantages whatsoever besides being limited to its own tribes. Yes, this was taken from an old log from 2002, back just after the birth of New Tuluk, well before the new Thyzrn revamp/retcon as a playable race. The Thryzn used to be one of the original 12 human tribes sacked by Muk Utep when he formed Tuluk, I can't remember the specifics but I think the Thyzrn did something to betray Muk Utep so they were cursed. We see that the were still loyal (or loyal again) to Muk Utep when they allied themselves with the rebellion in liberating Tuluk from the Allanaki occupation. There were Thryzn in New Tuluk up until they (I think it was the Sun Legion/Tuluki templarate?) destroyed the tree of life (Isar's Tree). It's likely the stats were reworked because many Thryzn are (or were) elementalists/krathi which would be difficult with the low range for wisdom.
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ask
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Thryzn
Mar 12, 2023 19:34:11 GMT -5
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Post by ask on Mar 12, 2023 19:34:11 GMT -5
I really doubt those are current. If they are, those are some utterly insane stats for a race that isn't saddled with any disadvantages whatsoever besides being limited to its own tribes. Yes, this was taken from an old log from 2002, back just after the birth of New Tuluk, well before the new Thyzrn revamp/retcon as a playable race. The Thryzn used to be one of the original 12 human tribes sacked by Muk Utep when he formed Tuluk, I can't remember the specifics but I think the Thyzrn did something to betray Muk Utep so they were cursed. We see that the were still loyal (or loyal again) to Muk Utep when they allied themselves with the rebellion in liberating Tuluk from the Allanaki occupation. There were Thryzn in New Tuluk up until they (I think it was the Sun Legion/Tuluki templarate?) destroyed the tree of life (Isar's Tree). It's likely the stats were reworked because many Thryzn are (or were) elementalists/krathi which would be difficult with the low range for wisdom. See. This is what I don't understand. They were an OG tribe, had tons of history with Tuluk, and then just rolled over for some Allanaki noble when they showed up? 😩 It's been explained to me that some of them are loyal and some aren't, but it's still... ?
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joe
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Thryzn
Mar 12, 2023 19:56:03 GMT -5
Post by joe on Mar 12, 2023 19:56:03 GMT -5
Thryzn culture/docs are cool, and do have those OG ties to tuluk and the chronology. Setting them up on the edge of the world and as xenophobic makes it difficult to engage though.
emote flicks tail with a subpar emotes and writing
As far as Sud's interactions with other characters...you were paying just as little attention to them as they were to to you. And again, the hostility is grossly unwarranted.
Bebop should be hostile but they've focused on what upset them and moved on. This is just abusive behavior towards players.
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Thryzn
Mar 12, 2023 20:04:26 GMT -5
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Post by prodoman on Mar 12, 2023 20:04:26 GMT -5
If someone with 2+ karma in a privileged, handpicked leadership role can't restrain themselves from sparring for literal RL hours straight, they deserve to be called out for that. That was some of the most egregious powergaming I have ever witnessed, and it was done as a daily routine, not some one-off thing, and by someone who should have been setting examples of good roleplay. It's inexcusable. I'm not the only one who thinks that about Grudash and THG, by the way--I'm just the only one who has been willing to voice it. Lots of people roll their eyes at it and talk behind the dude's back in Discord groups and PMs and whatnot. Just yesterday I received the following PM: As far as Jumbo goes, it's just another in an endless line of cringeworthy "me Tarzan, me strong but friendly " HGs that the documentation literally spells out not to do. Like the half-giant helpfile straight up tells you not to play that way, and that PC (as with so many other HGs, frankly) felt like it had misunderstood and taken the 'don't play this way' disclaimer as actual instructions on how to play. The whole 'me am Jumbo, hello friend!' thing grates on my nerves. Yeah no,considering I trained with both of them as masterless, and knew their spots, which weren't so secret, I know you're lying through your teeth and whoever that is. Sparring ten times? Laughable. From what I recall, they would have three sparring sessions instead of the standard two, and then box afterwards, which, happens often that way. Just like Bepop was wrong about the actual numbers of the event, (I was too, I own it), you're actualllllly lying through your teeth, and I can smell your desperation. Continue being a jaded ex-player who made no impact on the game world with your uber-stat dwarf, sorry you were so boring and uninteresting nobody gave a shit about you. People will always assume and make leaps to close the gaps in their logic, and that's exactly what's happening here. The fact you're more concerned about players doing what they want IG and not the fact staff cold shouldered you is funny too. Like....priorities man. You try to denounce what I say, but my point stands and I'll come back again and again to reiterate it if I must. You won't silence me with insults and trolling. They bounce off. And how would "most people" even be complaining about an isolationist that rarely ever leaves their land to come train, in another isolated spot in the world? I'm laughing. You're grasping at straws man, the desperation is real. Anything else you need to get off your chest, poor misguided soul?
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Thryzn
Mar 12, 2023 20:12:31 GMT -5
Post by lechuck on Mar 12, 2023 20:12:31 GMT -5
You're so full of shit that it's actually impressive. You're following the typical Trump supporter playbook: take the thing you're accused of and then just accuse the other guy of the exact same thing, and hope some portion of the listeners believe you. I called you (or your buddy; whoever is Grudash) boring, a twink, and subsequently a liar for the bullshit you've been posting in your flailing attempts at damage control. And here you are, calling me boring, a twink, and a liar! Isn't that an uncanny coincidence?
It was a near-daily occurrence for Grudash to turn up at the Refuge and go spar with THG for absolutely ridiculous amounts of time, often a full in-game day (1h30m) or longer. Rest, spar, rest, spar, rest, spar, for so long it was indefensible. You know that's some grade-A twinking, and having been called out on it, your only recourse is to claim that I'm lying. Well, I'm not. Anyway, you're too insane and despicable to continue talking to, so I'm going to stop doing that. You're such a weird fucking person, man. Just... so strange and delusional.
You'll recall that you were the one who showed up here and started to spew unhinged insults and personal attacks at me, and now I'm the one being lambasted for hostility when I respond in kind. I guess your disingenuous playground methods have worked on some people around here who have now somehow acquired the misconception that I'm the one who started it. You popped up out of nowhere and started with the spittle-spewing hateposts, and now you're like "oh no he's so mean to me!"
Fuck you, you disgusting degenerate. You're such a naturally shitty, dishonest person.
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