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Post by Azerbanjani on Aug 15, 2022 3:05:26 GMT -5
Hi guys remember that this place exists? Here's a review from one of my favorite merchants and players, and unknown to me a former staff member (After he played Maristen). www.reddit.com/r/MUD/comments/wmzwx9/former_armageddon_player_builder_and_staff_member/Here is another post talking about Armageddon's rabid response to critique: www.reddit.com/r/MUD/comments/wmjn82/a_hopefully_polite_response_to_a_recent/Whether you want to discuss what they had to say here or not I think they are nice to read and good to read. Reading about Maristen seeing his staffer talk shit about their character, or how staff said they'd tell Akaria something and didn't (I've spoken with Akaria OOC before, they seem cool. I think they'd be the kind of person if they knew OOC they were being a dick OOC they'd stop...hopefully), etc. A lot of what he said resonated with me. Strangely enough I didn't see any bootlicking in the comments maybe they will soon tho. |
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Post by mehtastic on Aug 18, 2022 7:40:47 GMT -5
Nothing about pof Maristen's review is particularly surprising, but it's not meant to be. It just hammers home the point the game has never really changed for the better. Every time the staff say the game is improving and the staff are getting better at handling issues, they really just regress to an even worse version of themselves. When staff get removed and replaced, nothing really changes since Nessalin, the one constant producer recruiting these awful staff in the first place, still remains.
The second one is urging Armageddon's attack dogs to calm down a bit - that advice almost certainly won't be taken to heart. Because it's come up a lot in the past decade and nothing ever changes. A glance at the Armageddon Discord shows that players think they are under attack and are facing mortal peril whenever a mildly critical review comes out. Read between the lines of stupid Discord messages and even more stupid Reddit comments by Armers, and you find that some of them think that Nergal of all people is trolling them. It's always the fault of a convenient scapegoat, never their own damn fault for running a shitty game for shitty people.
Also, the second one is a response to a third review with plenty of bootlicking in the comments. ForearmedLurker (qwerty, Dar, etc.) making a fool of himself, as usual, across all of the threads.
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Post by Azerbanjani on Aug 18, 2022 14:11:01 GMT -5
Nothing about pof Maristen's review is particularly surprising, but it's not meant to be. It just hammers home the point the game has never really changed for the better. Every time the staff say the game is improving and the staff are getting better at handling issues, they really just regress to an even worse version of themselves. When staff get removed and replaced, nothing really changes since Nessalin, the one constant producer recruiting these awful staff in the first place, still remains. The second one is urging Armageddon's attack dogs to calm down a bit - that advice almost certainly won't be taken to heart. Because it's come up a lot in the past decade and nothing ever changes. A glance at the Armageddon Discord shows that players think they are under attack and are facing mortal peril whenever a mildly critical review comes out. Read between the lines of stupid Discord messages and even more stupid Reddit comments by Armers, and you find that some of them think that Nergal of all people is trolling them. It's always the fault of a convenient scapegoat, never their own damn fault for running a shitty game for shitty people. Also, the second one is a response to a third review with plenty of bootlicking in the comments. ForearmedLurker (qwerty, Dar, etc.) making a fool of himself, as usual, across all of the threads. Is Qwerty even staff? He loves to do some 'Who was the staffer? When was this?' shit. 1: If you aren't staff, why the fuck do you care? 2: If you aren't staff, the fuck is this for? So you can fact check people and cope and seethe that someone in the shit game was acting shitty? 3: If you are staff, just go look at the fucking logs and see the shit Maristen was talking about. I've also talked to other former staffers. They've all seen bad shit. Frequently. So he's probably not staff and likes licking boots. |
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Post by punished ppurg on Aug 19, 2022 10:05:46 GMT -5
It's just a pure power fantasy for Qwerty. The fact that he's done more damage to Arm's reputation in the eyes of observant, pattern-recognizing people is completely lost upon him. The thing about apologetics is: they have to be both ethical and consistent. Qwerty's rhetoric is neither. This first-blush reddit comment fishing may confuse or belittle the complaints of a few people disenfranchised by Arm; but when you step back and see the big picture, the years picture, the pattern is really something to laugh at. Part of the reason why r/mud has such fatigue over Arm posts is this activity, in fact.
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Post by ibusoe on Aug 19, 2022 11:43:16 GMT -5
Thanks for posting this, Azie. Was a good read.
While I found plenty in that dude's post to emphasize with, there were certain chuckleworthy gems such as, " I had the karma to play a pretty strong Krathi subguild if I had wanted, but I decided to play a humble little Vividuan subguild so that I could learn more about different areas of the game"
I couldn't help but feel like he had something of a messiah complex. Like if that poor fool were reading this right now, I'd want to express the opinion that he shouldn't put so much into projects if he's that worried about getting a generous return. If you consistently sink 100% into anything, I'm of the opinion that there is a let-down in store for you.
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Post by Azerbanjani on Aug 19, 2022 14:20:26 GMT -5
Thanks for posting this, Azie. Was a good read. While I found plenty in that dude's post to emphasize with, there were certain chuckleworthy gems such as, " I had the karma to play a pretty strong Krathi subguild if I had wanted, but I decided to play a humble little Vividuan subguild so that I could learn more about different areas of the game" I couldn't help but feel like he had something of a messiah complex. Like if that poor fool were reading this right now, I'd want to express the opinion that he shouldn't put so much into projects if he's that worried about getting a generous return. If you consistently sink 100% into anything, I'm of the opinion that there is a let-down in store for you. I don't think it's a crazy idea to think that you would get a return from the time you put in, it's a realization everyone has to make with Arm/I assume a lot of Muds. That playing how you think the game should be played, having fun with people, and spending literal days of your life doesn't amount to anything in the eyes of the gods that be. |
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Post by ibusoe on Aug 22, 2022 8:40:52 GMT -5
I don't think it's a crazy idea to think that you would get a return from the time you put in, it's a realization everyone has to make with Arm/I assume a lot of Muds. That playing how you think the game should be played, having fun with people, and spending literal days of your life doesn't amount to anything in the eyes of the gods that be. I wrote an 8 paragraph reply, but what the gist of it was that I think one of your friends owed you the advice that if you'd have druther played a Krathi, you should have played a barn-torching Krathi. Martyrdom does not become you. I'd be happier with you if you were out burning people and salting their fields if that was truly how you wished to play. |
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Post by Azerbanjani on Aug 22, 2022 13:13:02 GMT -5
I don't think it's a crazy idea to think that you would get a return from the time you put in, it's a realization everyone has to make with Arm/I assume a lot of Muds. That playing how you think the game should be played, having fun with people, and spending literal days of your life doesn't amount to anything in the eyes of the gods that be. I wrote an 8 paragraph reply, but what the gist of it was that I think one of your friends owed you the advice that if you'd have druther played a Krathi, you should have played a barn-torching Krathi. Martyrdom does not become you. I'd be happier with you if you were out burning people and salting their fields if that was truly how you wished to play. That's fair. |
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Post by mehtastic on Aug 23, 2022 5:27:06 GMT -5
Armageddon is specifically set up to take the most advantage of the people who are willing to put more into the game. It's not a coincidence that the players that are the most burned out are often the most involved in running plots and (by extension) extensive player-staff communications to run said plots. This experience causes them to modulate their own actions and behavior in ways they don't find enjoyable, until they finally snap because of extreme tone-deafness, like staff echoing a broken axle after the player just fixed the wagon. I would argue the same applies to staff who tend to be the most busy doing productive stuff - before they got their current reputation, Nyr and Nergal were well-known for sinking massive amounts of time and effort into various aspects of the game.
In that context, it's not surprising that someone who thought simple wagon-fixing plots take months to complete would opt to take it slow with the roles they choose to apply for. Pof Maristen isn't foolish per se, just extensively conditioned by the circumstances they found themselves in while working with staff.
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Post by ask on Aug 31, 2022 7:48:28 GMT -5
3: If you are staff, just go look at the fucking logs and see the shit Maristen was talking about. I've also talked to other former staffers. They've all seen bad shit. Frequently. Logs were, when I staffed, only accessible for 30 days. So, they really can't see anything most of the time, which probably also explains why they're fine with being terrible -- out of sight, out of mind. |
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Post by Azerbanjani on Aug 31, 2022 8:24:19 GMT -5
What a terrible log system.
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