jeshin/qwerty derail

Because my response is to what is quoted? You had multiple points branched from one main one. Some were unworthy of response, so I quoted the paragraphs that I was actually responding to? Out of curiousity, why do "you" think I was doing it?


So there are a lot of accusations going on around in these forums. And every time I ask for 'something' to support it. Logs would be great. But even other people saying things. "anything" "aaaaanyyythiiiinnnnng". None of it is provided. It's obvious that nothing can be proven on internet. It's a semi anonymous text media, so that's a given. But at least circumstantial, semi relevant, posts that are sourced from someone 'except' that singular claimant. Anything really, to at the very least make an accusation even potentially possible as observed by multiple beings. That is usually not what happens. Almost every statement that happens here, my first response, "Can I haz more detail? What are you basing this on? Seem like very basic questions. But it seems they never get answered.

jcarter note - pieces of evidence have been provided to @qwerty and posted in these forums. his claim that no one ever shows evidence for anything is a complete exaggeration.

In your case. I made a statement. You were banned, because you supported the alleged hacking of Armageddon. You did it as an attempted community leader. You've asked for proof of that statement and what I based it on. I posted a link to the threads that you were participating in that eventually resulted in your ban. Now you're accusing me for not going through the whole post of semi archived, bare bone htmled data, chewing it all up for you, and waiting for you to swallow? I mean ... you're literally blaming me for making you read stuff. At least I provided "something". There was a hack. You participated in the discussion about the hack. The Hacked game banned you. I said that you were banned for that discussion and provided a link to that discussion. What exactly 'else' do you want me to provide? Ness's dairy that he writes in every night before bed? The topic of Arm getting hacked was discussed on multiple mud forums. Not a single public figure, be it a forum moderator, or any mud admin who had to somehow discuss the hack, have failed to condemn the act. Except you and Jcarter. But at least Jcarter's excusable, it is literally his declared stance. You portrayed yourself as someone with a stance of neutrality, objectivity, and constructiveness. From the links I provided, it was clear that your true stance is not any of that. So you were banned from the hacked game. Anyone who's interested in details can simply read the data I provided with that link.


Most people here provide "zero". I made a claim, I've given access to data that I used to base that claim on. I've made that data available for everyone to read and base their own opinion. My own statements were based on the "exact" data that I've given other people to read. But I'm not going to read it 'for' them.


Other people on other hand, have made statements. Failed to provide anything in support of those statements. Circumstantial, or not. And often enough, time showed those statements to be bullshit. I remember this conversation about SoL. Some dude being dead certain that two separate admins there were one and the same person. Until eventually people who dealt with both people had to counteract the claim. And you know what? When I was reading these statements, being very distant to everything SoL related, I actually did not doubt the person's accusations. Even though, I should've. Because they were just a bunch of shittalking without anything to back up the claim. And of course they all fell apart the moment someone else who was actually familiar with the topic responded.

There were only two people who provided 'something'. One was a person who was claiming sexual harassment on other forums. And you know what happened the moment that person provided 'something' instead of completely empty claims? People on reddit noticed that her/his 'proof' was codedly impossible and had to be fake. That person could not explain it and simply chose not to participate in the issue "ever". Their whole forum handle was created only to make the claim. So when it was proven to be fake, they never used that handle again. I suppose they're probably around as their main forum handle, doing whatever.

jcarter note - nobody on reddit proved anything.

One other person 'too' provided some detail on his own harassment. Details provided after being asked to do it by me. And you know what? I believed them. There were clear names, his own, and the one he accused. Time and location. There were facebook conversations, there were forums conversations. There were IRL conversations. All circumstantial, but enough to make those statements believable. Needless to say, he didnt go on a week long search of the entire facebook, but he've given enough for anyone genuinely interested to see. I was interested and I saw.

jcarter note the above paragraph contradicts @qwerty's original premise, which was that no one provides evidence.

Majority of claims here have nothing behind them. Nothing. Some of it once analyzed are clear to be improbable from the very beginning. But the tendency on the forums to support everything 'anti staff' and disagree with everything 'pro staff' is ... well, at the very least seriously dents the reliability of 'anything' anyone ever posts here. I found it hilarious how much negativity Delerak got recently.

jcarter note - qwerty has done nothing to investigate any of these claims, despite being on staff and having access to the data. he has been unwilling to even review complaints. he is complaining about delerak receiving negative attention because delerak was not applauded for trying to shut down discussion.

I'd like to say that statements made on these forums are so ridiculous, they're often ignored. But they're not ignored. They're read and it colors people's perceptions. The stuff that happened to Shakes for example is very disappointing. I mean staff dropped the ball on his case sooo bad. While in reality, a normal interactive conversation could've easily saved the game a very active, very imaginative player. But it cant be argued that Shakes 'have' indeed snapped a lot on staff without staff actually deserving it. Often enough it got figured out and both parties explained themselves, but the tendency to see everything staff related as negative just made this whole relationship sour for both Shakes and the staff. I cant say that Staff wasn't at fault about certain circumstances. But I can also say that these forums and others, often totally made up and unbased accusations, have colored his perceptions such that every time a conversation occurred, it ended up being antagonistic. It's this maelstorm of self perpetuating negativity that is making things even more difficult and worse then they already are. And they're already not all that great.

the only people that can investigate staff and bring forward evidence are staff. it's silly to expect that people are going to keep years worth of logs and documentation of events over a hobby video game, and it's even dumber to expect that someone's going to put together a 'case' against nerds on the internet rather than just go do something else.


qwerty really keeps likening to legal proceedings and pretending like we're the prosecution. this isn't a court of law. people don't need to get DNA evidence to talk about how shalooonsh is a fucking weirdo, or discuss information they've heard about it. we obviously can't send an officer of the jcarter court to deliver a subpoena and get access to the mountains of complaints that @qwerty is unwilling to even bother looking through, much less share.

if we're going to use analogies it's more similar to filing a complaint against the police. except the police in this case are anonymous, you have no protections against retaliation, they're unwilling to share anything from internal review or give any updates, and punish you if you have the audacity to talk about it with other people. oh yeah, and the cops have a guy on the police complaint forums that keeps telling everyone how full of shit they are while unwilling to lift a finger.

While qwerty is acting like a clown, can he please consider changing his shadowboard name to Mr. Notacop? It would make his miserable shitposting at least mildly entertaining.

I believe it's both. Noted Liar Nergal was well-known for banning shadowboard members, and there were two accounts here who used a tracking pixel in their signature to scrape IP addresses from here. (One account was active during Noted Liar Nergal's time whereas the other was active well after he left, around the time I posted the game code.) Chances are good that your IP got scooped up, and they matched it with their game's login records. That's all it would take to essentially confirm Shadowboard usage. (You can confuse things by using a VPN and whatnot but that's the basics, anyway.)

If you received any PMs from anyone here, I'd recommend going back through them, copying them, and pasting them into Notepad. If you see any suspicious img tags, follow the link in your browser and see what loads. If it's a 1x1 pixel "image" then it's a tracking pixel, and you were compromised. I'm sure jcarter would want to know the account name responsible for it.

Now they're not banning people, because banning would reduce player numbers. They have to keep those player numbers up, so they've reduced their oppressive behavior from outright bans down to karma-dangling. If you're a good player, you'll get a treat; if you don't conform 100% to what staff want, you get nothing. In that scenario, I'd prefer to be straight-up banned.

That being said, all corrupt hierarchical systems need to cast suspicions on someone in order to hide their own corruption through misdirection. Shalooonsh is an expert at this, as you've unfortunately seen first-hand. If it's not what I quoted, then it's probably that someone needed a fall-guy to blame things on.