sneazy
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Post by sneazy on Sept 12, 2018 14:31:37 GMT -5
The aging code does not act the way I expected so taking a closer look. age_stat_table is in constants.c code for age adjustment is with the rerolls/rolls in immortal.c The table is representing percentages with whole numbers so 600 is 60%, 1000 is 100%, and 1200 is 120%. The tables at first seem innocent enough - if you are in the 8/20th segment of your life you get 97.5% of your strength roll. Sounds like it would not hurt but what is really happening is you will be penalized at least -1 if you are not 100% or better (only agility has the bonuses 120% and 110%). Wisdom reaches 100% at the end of your char's life so you will always have a -1 age penalty to wisdom! Crazy. Some numbers below. There is no age where you can avoid a penalty on at least one stat.
Assume human max age 68
age str% end% agi% wis% (only 100% near death)
3 10-13 60 75 120
4 14-16 80 85 110
5 17-20 85 95 100
6 21-23 90 100 100
7 24-27 95 100 100
8 28-30 97.5 100 98.7
9 31-33 100 100 97.5
10 34-37 100 100 96.7
11 38-40 97.5 100 95
Extreme example: roll 18, if age penalty is 99.9%
Code goes:
18 x 999 = 17,982
17,982/1000 = 17.982 but it is put into an int so becomes 17
So even 99.9% gives a -1 penalty.
This example of running the 2016 code shows how the percent penalty hurts higher rolls more:
Mon Sep 10 09:53:09 2018: (point): [1003] Bopy (Bop): "point allanak"
Mon Sep 10 09:53:09 2018: Rerolling Bopy (Bop) - Human Warrior; Age 20
Mon Sep 10 09:53:09 2018: Attribute Range Roll Guild Mod Age Mod Final (Text)
Mon Sep 10 09:53:09 2018: strength 10-19 11 1 -2 10 (below average)
Mon Sep 10 09:53:09 2018: agility 10-19 14 0 0 14 (good)
Mon Sep 10 09:53:09 2018: wisdom 8-20 11 -1 -1 9 (below average)
Mon Sep 10 09:53:09 2018: endurance 10-19 14 1 -1 14 (good)
Mon Sep 10 10:00:47 2018: (reroll): [1004] Bopy (Bop): "reroll self"
Mon Sep 10 10:00:47 2018: Rerolling Bopy (Bop) - Human Warrior; Age 20
Mon Sep 10 10:00:47 2018: Attribute Range Roll Guild Mod Age Mod Final (Text)
Mon Sep 10 10:00:47 2018: strength 10-19 14 1 -3 12 (average)
Mon Sep 10 10:00:47 2018: agility 10-19 18 0 0 18 (exceptional)
Mon Sep 10 10:00:47 2018: wisdom 8-20 14 -1 -1 12 (above average)
Mon Sep 10 10:00:47 2018: endurance 10-19 11 1 -1 11 (below average)
strength 11 roll
11 x 850 = 9,350
9,340 / 1000 = 9.35 becomes 9. Add 1 for warrior mod and final is 10 strength (age penalty is -2).
strength 14 roll
14 x 850 = 11,900
11,900 / 1000 = 11.9 becomes 11. Add 1 for warrior mod and final is 12 strength (age penalty is -3).
Seems very punishing to get such a large penalty for a 20 year old human. |
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Post by shakes on Sept 12, 2018 14:42:33 GMT -5
So 28-30 is optimal across the board?
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MartenBroadcloak
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Post by MartenBroadcloak on Sept 12, 2018 15:40:04 GMT -5
Does that mean "aging" code wise is actually stat penalties dropping off as you move into the next age bracket?
references I've seen elsewhere of characters getting strength "bumps" pretty consistently at age 24 and 28 would make sense then.
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Post by pinkerdlu on Sept 12, 2018 16:24:35 GMT -5
Does that mean "aging" code wise is actually stat penalties dropping off as you move into the next age bracket? references I've seen elsewhere of characters getting strength "bumps" pretty consistently at age 24 and 28 would make sense then. bump And thanks for the post, sneazy. |
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sneazy
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Post by sneazy on Sept 12, 2018 17:47:00 GMT -5
Yes, when you reach 100% (1000 in the tables in the code) then you have no penalties applied. That is when you will see your true rolled number (with your guild adjustment added in). Any age with the penalty number less than 100% will have at least -1 applied to that stat.
ages 31 - 37 would have no penalties for strength/endurance
ages 21 - 27 would have no penalties for agility/endurance
Wisdom can only go up over your pc's lifetime, it maxes at the last bracket.
Shakes - I think the takeaway is you can only get a "best" bracket for 2 of str/agi/end (see ages above). Strength and agility peak at different ages.
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zur
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Post by zur on Sept 12, 2018 19:48:52 GMT -5
I can confirm sneasy's post. Interestingly enough, "Max Age" is a misnomer, as you cannot codedly die of old age. Here's the math: Human:
int max_age: 68
Character creation:
Minimum Age = 20% of max_age (13)
Maximum Age = 85% of max_age (57)
Age Code at generation:
AgeGroup = Age * 20 / max_age, Minimum 0, Maximum 20
STAT == STAT * Age_Percentile_Table.STAT[AgeGroup] / 1000, Minimum 1, Maximum 100
Below is a list of Age breakpoints associated with each agegroup, as well as the stats for a Human with 20 in each Ability. You can assume that an age before one listed belongs to the previous breakpoint (eg: if Age=3, Agegroup = 0)
Age: (0) AgeGroup: (0)
STR: 0
END: 2
AGI: 2
WIS: 2
Age: (4) AgeGroup: (1)
STR: 2
END: 7
AGI: 10
WIS: 7
Age: (7) AgeGroup: (2)
STR: 6
END: 11
AGI: 18
WIS: 11
Age: (11) AgeGroup: (3)
STR: 12
END: 15
AGI: 24
WIS: 15
Age: (14) AgeGroup: (4)
STR: 16
END: 17
AGI: 22
WIS: 17
Age: (17) AgeGroup: (5)
STR: 17
END: 19
AGI: 20
WIS: 19
Age: (21) AgeGroup: (6)
STR: 18
END: 20
AGI: 20
WIS: 19
Age: (24) AgeGroup: (7)
STR: 19
END: 20
AGI: 20
WIS: 19
Age: (28) AgeGroup: (8)
STR: 19
END: 20
AGI: 19
WIS: 19
Age: (31) AgeGroup: (9)
STR: 20
END: 20
AGI: 19
WIS: 19
Age: (34) AgeGroup: (10)
STR: 20
END: 20
AGI: 19
WIS: 19
Age: (38) AgeGroup: (11)
STR: 19
END: 20
AGI: 19
WIS: 19
Age: (41) AgeGroup: (12)
STR: 19
END: 19
AGI: 18
WIS: 19
Age: (45) AgeGroup: (13)
STR: 18
END: 18
AGI: 18
WIS: 19
Age: (48) AgeGroup: (14)
STR: 17
END: 17
AGI: 18
WIS: 19
Age: (51) AgeGroup: (15)
STR: 16
END: 15
AGI: 17
WIS: 19
Age: (55) AgeGroup: (16)
STR: 15
END: 13
AGI: 16
WIS: 19
Age: (58) AgeGroup: (17)
STR: 13
END: 11
AGI: 15
WIS: 19
Age: (62) AgeGroup: (18)
STR: 10
END: 9
AGI: 14
WIS: 19
Age: (65) AgeGroup: (19)
STR: 8
END: 7
AGI: 13
WIS: 19
Age: (68+) AgeGroup: (20)
STR: 5
END: 5
AGI: 11
WIS: 20
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Post by supersmashbro on Jul 21, 2019 4:27:47 GMT -5
I had an old PC age up into an AI strength at 28, and by the math should of had a 19.5 str. Which should then just drop to 19, still at exceptional.
However, his damage did go up with that bump up too. Working with max slashing and etwo made seeing the dmg jump easy enough, and his carry weight was really obvious.
All signs showed he did in fact jump to 20 str.
You are 28 years, 0 months, and 2 days old,
which by your race and appearance is adult.
You are 78 inches tall, and weigh 9 ten-stone.
Your strength is absolutely incredible, your agility is exceptional,
your wisdom is average, and your endurance is good.
I've also seen 2 logs of 2 different characters with AI wisdoms that certainly wern't max age. Their guild did have a bonus, but it should of only equaled out the -1 shown in the code.
So I think the live game has something changed for age code; it's a bit more generous and rounds?
My PC and one of the AI wisdom ones was pre 2016 too.
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