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Post by Foyle on Oct 26, 2013 15:14:38 GMT -5
Wouldn't it make sense if tridents got a bonus to disarm? Or weapon damage? No basis whatsoever for this though.
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Post by sitbackandchillout on Jun 7, 2014 4:34:53 GMT -5
Anybody got more experience on these since 2013?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2014 17:15:34 GMT -5
I saw an southern pc screw around with a pike a few months back. They are without a doubt armor-ignoring weapons. Against most pcs that doesnt mean much. Against big mobs, it can be a huge advantage.
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Post by topkekm8s on Jun 8, 2014 18:37:31 GMT -5
So they are like a less malicious razoring
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Post by lyse on Oct 5, 2014 17:41:44 GMT -5
So what happens if other classes wield these without the skill? Completely pointless or somewhat useful? Does it default to the branching skill if you don't have the advanced skill?
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Post by topkekm8s on Oct 5, 2014 20:56:16 GMT -5
A whole lot of missing I imagine.
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Post by jkarr on Oct 6, 2014 0:55:29 GMT -5
afaik u wont get any bonuses past what ur offense gives u, same for warriors that dont have the adv skill it doesnt default to any branching weapon skill
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Post by latrineswimmer on Oct 20, 2014 11:10:22 GMT -5
Would these weapons be viable for gickers that don't have weapon skills then? Or used in the off hand which uses dual wield instead I think?
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Post by lyse on Oct 20, 2014 11:36:01 GMT -5
Would these weapons be viable for gickers that don't have weapon skills then? Or used in the off hand which uses dual wield instead I think? The reason I asked is because I saw someone I know wasn't a warrior (unless they had some kind of extended sub) with one. I didn't get a chance to see them use them, but this player is kind of a twink, so I can't see them using them if they weren't viable. So I'm thinking anybody can use them and they might work on monsters, but in pvp....you might get fucked up.
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Post by topkekm8s on Oct 20, 2014 15:09:50 GMT -5
its possible aggressors might branch slashing. its possible said player spesh apped. its possible said player hasn't redeemed his Shadow Board Cheater Bux yet and doesn't know what we know.
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Post by jcarter on Oct 20, 2014 16:14:49 GMT -5
Just because someone is a twink doesn't mean they know what they're doing. I'm sure plenty of common knowledge on best set up and weapons is probably wrong or not 100% accurate because players don't actually have serious data. There's too many variable at play for the anecdotal evidence players go off of to be effective
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Post by grumble on Oct 20, 2014 17:15:10 GMT -5
who cares. if it makes ic since 4 pc to wield rong weapon then thye do. shuld merchent only box bcuz no wepen skillz?
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Post by grumble on Oct 20, 2014 17:22:57 GMT -5
Would these weapons be viable for gickers that don't have weapon skills then? Or used in the off hand which uses dual wield instead I think? The reason I asked is because I saw someone I know wasn't a warrior (unless they had some kind of extended sub) with one. I didn't get a chance to see them use them, but this player is kind of a twink, so I can't see them using them if they weren't viable. So I'm thinking anybody can use them and they might work on monsters, but in pvp....you might get fucked up. also pvp wuld dpend on hiddn skillz vs humanoid. nless other pc branch skillz dfense wuld be odd. base oofense still applys. base dfense 2.
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Post by legendary on Oct 20, 2014 20:25:22 GMT -5
So what happens if other classes wield these without the skill? Completely pointless or somewhat useful? Does it default to the branching skill if you don't have the advanced skill? The special benefits remain intact, but you're dependent on offense for aggression. It can be incredibly helpful for a PC with low strength when forced to deal with hard to damage NPCs (armor bypass, impressive damage ranges on advanced weapons, etc), but otherwise there is no tangible benefit beyond making people think you're more dangerous than you really are. For reasons I've outlined in another post, you don't want people thinking you're an impressively powerful warrior, so I'd strongly advise against posing as one unless you're facing desperate times. The only exception to this is assassins with low to average combat (including backstab) skills. There are some advanced weapons that behave as stabbing weapons and have such ridiculous damage ranges that you can shank like an all-star without having to do any of the grinding. A newbie dwarf assassin / guard (for better odds of successfully bypassing NPC guards and blocking rescue attempts) with a focus on strength and endurance, equipped with a pair of the higher end advanced stabbers, makes for about the most dangerous throw away character available. You just need a successful backstab roll and you have very good odds of killing or at least mortally wounding your target with the backstab + offhand mini-backstab. The inherently high HP of dwarves mean that even if you miss the first time, you have enough cushion to have a good chance of escape to make a later attempt, or if you're locked in combat, to escape and return to finish off your mortally wounded target.
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Post by sirra on Nov 8, 2014 0:22:28 GMT -5
I must have branched razors three separate times, and each time, it was a waste. It was hell to even find a razor, and it broke almost immediately. Keep in mind, I had direct, unfiltered access to any Merchant House storeroom I could've wanted to equip myself from with one of those chars, and I still never found a razor worth a damn. The only weapon really worth branching was a trident or a pike, both of which were easily available.
They're very hard to skill up though, without training with a ridiculously high defense sparring buddy. I used to tear apart maxed warriors on my ranger, but when they branched trident, or pike...I'd still beat them for about 10 more days of play time, but then they'd start ripping me up, since I didn't have the parry bonus. And this was against a super dwarf twink, who became quite infamous later on. Guy spent months fisting skeet with bags of rocks on his back and it took him about 10 days playtime into trident before he could beat my ranger.
That ranger had maxed def in just about every way it was possible to have. And even that dwarf only got his trident as high as he did, because he'd spar me weighed down as far as possible, while I often went weaponless to let him get as much misses in as possible. In normal circumstances, it must be the very rare individual that gets a branched weapon beyond 30-40. But he did start beating me in fair fights around ~40-50 mark. I honestly doubt in all the time he had that char afterwards, if he ever raised it more than one or two more points.
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