punished ppurg
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Post by punished ppurg on Apr 6, 2023 8:53:22 GMT -5
I'm still away from computer for now. But to address the vibes of doxing:
I'm not interested in the personal lives of other people in the MUD community. I took interest when Nyr, Talia, and Cavaticus rented themselves a vacation timeshare, around the time they all covered each other's asses in my AoD recruit massacre. But that's ancient history at this point; and it was only relevant to introduce the notion that these cliques don't operate in the best interest of the game, when they are operating in the best interest of the clique.
But like I said, I disavow irl stalking and doxing. Just not interested in people's lives outside of their Arm persona. I believe in personality compartmentalization, and I have faith that people are generally good just like the students in the Stanford Prison Experiment were generally good. It's the mess of the environment that creates these "tyrannical" overreaches. Strong words for an online text game, but any community can be a Machiavellian Principality with enough personality.
If it's not enough for me to swear off doxing, then consider jcarter. He doesn't allow personal info here. When the staff wiki was released, he acted quickly to cut out the personal informations of people that had been left in logs. I'm certain he would make no exception for me when it comes to a rule like that.
I'm not interested in stalking or "reaching out and touching people irl". I see an abusive pattern in the community by Gyn in support of Looonsh, I hear the rumors from credible sources, and I want to get to the bottom of it.
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ask
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Post by ask on Apr 6, 2023 9:01:35 GMT -5
Sorry for using the term; Halaster equated the very real threat of doxxing IRL information to whom a staffer is playing... Which to me isn't anywhere in the same ballpark.
I ran the Sekrit Santa for a decade almost and never gave anyone's information out. I was trusted with it. I mean, hell, I know multiple staffer's real life names and locales, and I've never given any of you sillies that info.
The game is a game. But we also have to call cheaters out. Who plays who isn't, to me, a bad thing, especially when that person is a staffer with an unfair advantage.
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Post by bebop on Apr 6, 2023 9:11:06 GMT -5
Sorry for using the term; Halaster equated the very real threat of doxxing IRL information to whom a staffer is playing... Which to me isn't anywhere in the same ballpark. I ran the Sekrit Santa for a decade almost and never gave anyone's information out. I was trusted with it. I mean, hell, I know multiple staffer's real life names and locales, and I've never given any of you sillies that info. The game is a game. But we also have to call cheaters out. Who plays who isn't, to me, a bad thing, especially when that person is a staffer with an unfair advantage. I think it's super telling that staff are comparing to outing a staff avatar or these silly staff aliases to doxing. It's not doxing. Meanwhile, I had Shalooonsh on his staff Discord account take a picture outside of my home/place of business. I had him messaging players calling me a man eater and giving away my personal info. He used his staff power to find out who I was and contact me initially on social media. He took pics of Delirium and distributed them. If anyone doxed anyone or used personal info to do harm it was him. Revealing cheating and characters and shit is not doxing and staff frameworking it as such and then belittling and retaliating against players who actually were doxed because they exposed cheating is not okay. They're just continuing the bullying that Shalooonsh started.
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Post by spyguy on Apr 6, 2023 9:13:32 GMT -5
"Was your PC the one she had matching tattoos with?" No, that sounds like a great way to bond with another PC though.
"Was he the one who she told my PC she could never be with this person, but she loved him dearly?" I'm not sure what you're asking here. Wren and Rika shared an apartment, he became adoptive father to her daughter, etc. If this is particularly important please provide detail but it sounds like she turned down someone IC for whatever reason.
"Has anyone ever been monogamous on that game? How do you know there wasn't time? I staffed Gynesis when I was on Arm staff and she would make time, if you get my drift." People enjoy different sides of this game. When I play a PC that is looking for sex or romance I've had characters who fucked around and characters who were monogamous, sometimes at different stages of the PC's life. It's my informed opinion, having played around her extensively just before she became staff, that Rika wasn't involved with Shalooonsh. Do you have anything but accusations or innuendo? If you want to offer up some proof I hear there's like $100 on the line.
"Also, editing to add: she was staffing the Byn while Rika had a romance going with the sergeant. That's a HUGE STAFF NO NO." - Can't speak to this as I wasn't playing then. I do know Rika was Kolm's half sister. Gynesis staffing the Byn while having so many connections with the clan and her PClan being potential competition to it are perhaps worth discussing but that's not what this thread is about.
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Post by mehtastic on Apr 6, 2023 9:13:53 GMT -5
Sorry for using the term; Halaster equated the very real threat of doxxing IRL information to whom a staffer is playing... Which to me isn't anywhere in the same ballpark. I'm sure you know this already, but for anyone who doesn't, certain staff members (like any abusive person) do this false equivalency shit on purpose because it turns very reasonable concerns into unreasonable ranting and raving that needs to be defended against. The people already devoted to staff generally don't really care one way or the other if staff reveal who they're playing. Some probably think it's a great idea because of accountability/transparency. Others think it's bad because muh immersion. But everyone thinks doxxing is bad. So claiming "they're trying to dox staff!" galvanizes the playerbase with a simple little lie, one of many staff use to cement their authority over their shrinking sandbox.
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delirium
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Post by delirium on Apr 6, 2023 9:16:51 GMT -5
man I am tired.
Y'all getting fucking ridiculous. Yeah Blaze is a slime and a lot of people overlooked it or benefited from his machinations whether they knew it or not but now it's out there, and basically anyone with any self respect is not playing the game or is optimistic/foolish enough to be trying to change it from the ground/the inside, or is still entrenched as a bad actor (Brokkr, etc, and have we heard even a whisper of Shabago?)
Yeah it's obvious the ban amnesty is a total sham, nobody is surprised.
... how did we get to the point of offering fucking bounties on what amounts to shaming a woman for allegedly "mudfucking her way to the top"?
What the hell are you trying to prove? That staff operated unfairly? We already know that beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Dudes. Be better than this.
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ask
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Post by ask on Apr 6, 2023 9:19:50 GMT -5
"Was your PC the one she had matching tattoos with?" No, that sounds like a great way to bond with another PC though.
"Was he the one who she told my PC she could never be with this person, but she loved him dearly?" I'm not sure what you're asking here. Wren and Rika shared an apartment, he became adoptive father to her daughter, etc. If this is particularly important please provide detail but it sounds like she turned down someone IC for whatever reason.
"Has anyone ever been monogamous on that game? How do you know there wasn't time? I staffed Gynesis when I was on Arm staff and she would make time, if you get my drift." People enjoy different sides of this game. When I play a PC that is looking for sex or romance I've had characters who fucked around and characters who were monogamous, sometimes at different stages of the PC's life. It's my informed opinion, having played around her extensively just before she became staff, that Rika wasn't involved with Shalooonsh. Do you have anything but accusations or innuendo? If you want to offer up some proof I hear there's like $100 on the line.
"Also, editing to add: she was staffing the Byn while Rika had a romance going with the sergeant. That's a HUGE STAFF NO NO." - Can't speak to this as I wasn't playing then. I do know Rika was Kolm's half sister. Gynesis staffing the Byn while having so many connections with the clan and her PClan being potential competition to it are perhaps worth discussing but that's not what this thread is about.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Kitanius was the one she had the tattoo with. Even if she wasn't fucking him, the bias was there. Anyway, you're obviously defending the fuck out of her. You're too close to the situation to see the trends, and that's fine. You've confirmed enough for me to feel satisfied with my hunches. And this thread is about psychological profiles. Gyn is proving to be a cheater, much like her good ol friend Blaze. That's what that last bit was about. I wonder how hard she stanned for that sergeant's player, given how frequently they were in VC together and how much he flirt teased her, so he could get the Templar spot in the south when they rolecalled for it. I wonder how many better suited individuals he beat out just because they bumped text uglies.
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ask
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Post by ask on Apr 6, 2023 9:25:43 GMT -5
Sorry for using the term; Halaster equated the very real threat of doxxing IRL information to whom a staffer is playing... Which to me isn't anywhere in the same ballpark. I ran the Sekrit Santa for a decade almost and never gave anyone's information out. I was trusted with it. I mean, hell, I know multiple staffer's real life names and locales, and I've never given any of you sillies that info. The game is a game. But we also have to call cheaters out. Who plays who isn't, to me, a bad thing, especially when that person is a staffer with an unfair advantage. I think it's super telling that staff are comparing to outing a staff avatar or these silly staff aliases to doxing. It's not doxing. Meanwhile, I had Shalooonsh on his staff Discord account take a picture outside of my home/place of business. I had him messaging players calling me a man eater and giving away my personal info. He used his staff power to find out who I was and contact me initially on social media. He took pics of Delirium and distributed them. If anyone doxed anyone or used personal info to do harm it was him. Revealing cheating and characters and shit is not doxing and staff frameworking it as such and then belittling and retaliating against players who actually were doxed because they exposed cheating is not okay. They're just continuing the bullying that Shalooonsh started. Sorry, Beebs, your actual real life stalking doesn't matter. What matters is that Rika was played by Gyn and we ruined her accelerated rise to the top in game by revealing such. (Fuck that take and fuck staff for brushing that shit aside.) Also, I'm on mobile, so I am gonna double post. Deal. 😮💨
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Post by mehtastic on Apr 6, 2023 9:29:52 GMT -5
man I am tired. Y'all getting fucking ridiculous. Yeah Blaze is a slime and a lot of people overlooked it or benefited from his machinations whether they knew it or not but now it's out there, and basically anyone with any self respect is not playing the game or is optimistic/foolish enough to be trying to change it from the ground/the inside, or is still entrenched as a bad actor (Brokkr, etc, and have we heard even a whisper of Shabago?) Yeah it's obvious the ban amnesty is a total sham, nobody is surprised. ... how did we get to the point of offering fucking bounties on what amounts to shaming a woman for allegedly "mudfucking her way to the top"? What the hell are you trying to prove? That staff operated unfairly? We already know that beyond a shadow of a doubt. Dudes. Be better than this. I don't blame people for seeing all that has happened and thinking/hoping there must be something more to it. That's just standard human curiosity.
But you're right, any reasonable person knows what there is to know at this point. Every staff member is "in on it" and none of them can be seriously trusted. The staff are willing to investigate themselves but that's about it. The players arrange themselves in a circle on the GDB and chant "keep playing" in the hopes that it will keep the game alive in the face of this dysfunction.
What has tired me out the most personally is seeing people quit and then rejoin the game - people like Hazel, Kavrick, etc. who just go right back into the hands of an abusive staff and abusive community.
I don't think more info on Gynesis (or any staff member for that matter) is going to convince people not to play the game. The lines were drawn. Even if ppurg gets the perfect source and pays out $100, what changes?
Which is why I prefer the "full transparency" route. Which is something we're never going to get on Armageddon. At best, we can look for another game that promises it, but that's about it at this point.
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ask
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Post by ask on Apr 6, 2023 9:37:07 GMT -5
man I am tired. Y'all getting fucking ridiculous. Yeah Blaze is a slime and a lot of people overlooked it or benefited from his machinations whether they knew it or not but now it's out there, and basically anyone with any self respect is not playing the game or is optimistic/foolish enough to be trying to change it from the ground/the inside, or is still entrenched as a bad actor (Brokkr, etc, and have we heard even a whisper of Shabago?) Yeah it's obvious the ban amnesty is a total sham, nobody is surprised. ... how did we get to the point of offering fucking bounties on what amounts to shaming a woman for allegedly "mudfucking her way to the top"? What the hell are you trying to prove? That staff operated unfairly? We already know that beyond a shadow of a doubt. Dudes. Be better than this. I don't blame people for seeing all that has happened and thinking/hoping there must be something more to it. That's just standard human curiosity.
But you're right, any reasonable person knows what there is to know at this point. Every staff member is "in on it" and none of them can be seriously trusted. The staff are willing to investigate themselves but that's about it. The players arrange themselves in a circle on the GDB and chant "keep playing" in the hopes that it will keep the game alive in the face of this dysfunction.
What has tired me out the most personally is seeing people quit and then rejoin the game - people like Hazel, Kavrick, etc. who just go right back into the hands of an abusive staff and abusive community.
I don't think more info on Gynesis (or any staff member for that matter) is going to convince people not to play the game. The lines were drawn. Even if ppurg gets the perfect source and pays out $100, what changes?
Which is why I prefer the "full transparency" route. Which is something we're never going to get on Armageddon. At best, we can look for another game that promises it, but that's about it at this point.
Idk, some people will defend staff for their life. People here are forgiving Gynesis because she's a hard worker, in theory.
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Post by poorimpulsecontrol on Apr 6, 2023 10:01:14 GMT -5
man I am tired. Y'all getting fucking ridiculous. Yeah Blaze is a slime and a lot of people overlooked it or benefited from his machinations whether they knew it or not but now it's out there, and basically anyone with any self respect is not playing the game or is optimistic/foolish enough to be trying to change it from the ground/the inside, or is still entrenched as a bad actor (Brokkr, etc, and have we heard even a whisper of Shabago?) Yeah it's obvious the ban amnesty is a total sham, nobody is surprised. ... how did we get to the point of offering fucking bounties on what amounts to shaming a woman for allegedly "mudfucking her way to the top"? What the hell are you trying to prove? That staff operated unfairly? We already know that beyond a shadow of a doubt. Dudes. Be better than this. Preach it.
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pinkerdlu
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Post by pinkerdlu on Apr 6, 2023 12:04:51 GMT -5
1) Shalooonsh wasn't in a romantic relationship with Gynesis's PC at the time she became staff: Assuming the leak that Gynesis=Rika is true the timing doesn't make sense. My PC Wren was mates with Rika and between RPTs, being the only active Byn Sergeant and their family life there wasn't room. Wren died at the very end of August 2021 and Gynesis became staff in October 2021. I have evidence Rika was mourning Wren for like a RL year+ after his death so this doesn't add up. Spyguy... I hate to be the one to break this to you, buddy. But there was someone very special in Rika's life, comforting her after Wren died. A very good "buddy" of hers. And by comforting... I mean they released a lot of energy together... the expensive Allanaki silk sheets were dripping with SWEAT and other EMOTIONAL FLUIDS. It's alright, man. Happens to the best of us.
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delirium
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Post by delirium on Apr 6, 2023 13:00:56 GMT -5
This has gone beyond, weird, farcical and kinda sexist to straight up troll energy. I shouldn't bother corroborating that the timing would've been a year or two after Wren's death bc its literal fiction but since you seem to be taking attempts to clear things up as an opportunity to try and make a guy feel, what, cheated on in an RP game, that's just bonkers and I feel sorry for you.
Get a life my dudes. Gyn did fuck up with the thread nuke but people panic and wagon circle when things blow up. That's standard staff behavior. Am I excusing that? Nah. But I'm not gonna sit here and watch y'all devolve into a witch hunt over vaguely sexist and ultimately pointless rumor mongering.
It's stupid. It's been over a month.
Elsa this shit.
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pinkerdlu
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Post by pinkerdlu on Apr 6, 2023 13:16:48 GMT -5
This has gone beyond, weird, farcical and kinda sexist to straight up troll energy. I shouldn't bother corroborating that the timing would've been a year or two after Wren's death bc its literal fiction but since you seem to be taking attempts to clear things up as an opportunity to try and make a guy feel, what, cheated on in an RP game, that's just bonkers and I feel sorry for you. Get a life my dudes. Gyn did fuck up with the thread nuke but people panic and wagon circle when things blow up. That's standard staff behavior. Am I excusing that? Nah. But I'm not gonna sit here and watch y'all devolve into a witch hunt over vaguely sexist and ultimately pointless rumor mongering. It's stupid. It's been over a month. Elsa this shit. Get over yourself Del. This isn't the GDB, sorry. You can't cry and get a thread closed or decide what people talk about. It was a couple of WOMEN ( gasp) that started these "rumors". And it's not pointless rumor mongering, follow along please sweetie. Someone's ban appeal got denied over discussing this topic.
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Post by gringoose on Apr 6, 2023 13:17:15 GMT -5
I'm not sure I understand this thread. It's confusing with all the names of PCs involved.
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