delerak
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Post by delerak on Mar 8, 2023 19:37:48 GMT -5
Halaster, you're a good man. Like Nessalin before you, now you can finally rest. I'm coming. It is my destiny. Behold your new leader in all his glory.
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Post by jcarter on Mar 8, 2023 20:05:32 GMT -5
This is the ideal male body. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
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Post by ocotilloskewers on Mar 8, 2023 20:08:48 GMT -5
#Delerak2023
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Mar 8, 2023 20:13:37 GMT -5
i've been saying it for years
#Delerak2023
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mehtastic
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Post by mehtastic on Mar 18, 2023 18:03:44 GMT -5
Hestia is now inactive staff on Discord.
List of staff that have gone inactive in 2023:
Producers: Halaster, Shabago, Nessalin Administrators: Shalooonsh, Wychokka, Aromit Storytellers: Obtutus, Drinn, Hestia
You love to see it. Did I forget anyone?
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baobob
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Post by baobob on Mar 18, 2023 18:17:11 GMT -5
Hestia is now inactive staff on Discord. List of staff that have gone inactive in 2023: Producers: Halaster, Shabago, Nessalin Administrators: Shalooonsh, Wychokka, Aromit Storytellers: Obtutus, Drinn, Hestia You love to see it. Did I forget anyone? Players: "We demand you play fair and be accountable for what you do!" Above Staff: "I quit!" "Me, too!" "Screw that, I'm out."
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Post by ocotilloskewers on Mar 18, 2023 18:45:29 GMT -5
Feels like the game is circling the drain at this point. I actually came here to say that Hestia is now 'inactive staff' but, already been seen.
Apparently the pop has been super low too, whilst Apocalypse's has only been rising. Has ArmageddonMUD's death really come?
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Post by mehtastic on Mar 19, 2023 4:13:32 GMT -5
Feels like the game is circling the drain at this point. I actually came here to say that Hestia is now 'inactive staff' but, already been seen. Apparently the pop has been super low too, whilst Apocalypse's has only been rising. Has ArmageddonMUD's death really come? If Apocalypse keeps its momentum and continues to have two times Armageddon's player count at peak times, then Armageddon's already a dead game. Even if you can still connect to Arm, when a game that was once a titan falls to a point of activity that is near-indistinguishable from most of the MUDs that are still online, it's safe to call it dead.
I never thought I'd see the day, but here we are. The Mystery Staff Member that gave Apocalypse its first breath of life must also be very pleased right now, if they are seeing this, since this was their end goal on leaking the Arm code.
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Post by lechuck on Mar 19, 2023 4:18:11 GMT -5
It's a little bit crazy, though, that many years of utter stagnation and wholesale failure of the storytelling staff didn't do it, but one chauvinistic moron then single-handedly killed the game. This is a game that survived the tenure of Nyr, an actual fucking sociopath, almost unscathed; but then it all fell apart because one dude was being kind of weird towards women.
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spyguy
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Post by spyguy on Mar 19, 2023 7:37:02 GMT -5
It's a little bit crazy, though, that many years of utter stagnation and wholesale failure of the storytelling staff didn't do it, but one chauvinistic moron then single-handedly killed the game. This is a game that survived the tenure of Nyr, an actual fucking sociopath, almost unscathed; but then it all fell apart because one dude was being kind of weird towards women. I'd argue it wasn't just the creepy behavior. That plus the fact he was allowed to play a noble PC and involve himself in his own clans plotlines. Shalooonsh struck me as manic and constantly pushing his ideas. If you disagreed you'd be brushed off at best. It was his sandbox and you were just playing there. Most of his ideas sucked for the playerbase as well, splitting them up or making clans unpleasant to play in.
There are also serious structural problems with the MUD that make playing it less enjoyable imo. Mage subclasses made mages an optimal choice as far as code goes. Guess who can't join 90% of clans? Gicks. There are also so many clans open and so much expected of PC leaders to involve other PCs that low player numbers -really- hurt the game. It doesn't matter if there are 20 people on Arm, it's so spread out that it can feel like a ghost town. Apoc benefits from having one main settlement and a staff that's enthusiastic about the reopening whereas Arm staff, until recently or maybe even now, were stretched thin. I liked Apoc just fine, wasn't really the same thing yet though.
I'm honestly hoping Arm isn't dead. I hope Arm can change and be better. As an old PC would say, 'Hope is shit.'
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Post by lechuck on Mar 19, 2023 7:48:39 GMT -5
Well, as I've pointed out before, his actual character had essentially no impact on the game. Kinaria-whateverhisnamewas was basically unknown to nearly everyone, to the point where even players closely aligned with multiple clanleads had never heard his name. He was, for all intents and purposes, a nobody, unless you played another noble or templar. That appears to have been his target. Well, a female playing one of the aforementioned, at any rate. That was his target. To anyone else, he didn't even really exist.
I think that Armageddon's problems far surpass a single idiot's inability to keep his dick in his pants. It's not as if Shaloonsh is a new phenomenon. It's good that Bebop finally managed to drag his spotted history into the light, because that was overdue; but it's not as though it was some recent occurrence. This game has had all the same spots for at least a decade, and it's only now that you can finally point them out without being labeled as a shadowboarder weirdo whose views should be dismissed out of hand.
There are many things wrong with this game. One idiot's sexist habits are just a portion of what's wrong, but until that one thing was brought to the fore, none of the other things were even acknowledged in the Armageddon community. Years went by where these things plagued the game and you couldn't even mention it. That's fucked up. It wasn't until our real-life society reached a point where women can actually speak up against their abusers that wholly unrelated problems with ArmageddonMUD could even be discussed. See what I mean?
I'm a man. I don't have a dog in the race of women's rights, as much as I'm in favor of that. I just see things for what they are, and it's clear that up until the proverbial beans were spilled, it wasn't even possible to talk about most of the problems that plague ArmageddonMUD. Now that the beans have then been spilled, however, it seems like we can talk about these things. It's good, but it's as if the dam was plugged by women's rights, and once that was removed, suddenly it isn't about that at all but rather about the censorship of opinions altogether.
It says a lot about that entire community. I've quit it, having told staff to go fuck themselves a few weeks ago, so I'm not fighting for the survival of ArmageddonMUD. I'm also in general favor of women's rights, but as I am a man, it's not really my fight to fight. And still I find that the latter is the more compelling cause, because Arm's cause if fucked.
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Post by mehtastic on Mar 19, 2023 7:58:00 GMT -5
I'm honestly hoping Arm isn't dead. I hope Arm can change and be better. As an old PC would say, 'Hope is shit.'
Armageddon changing for the better would necessitate staff holding themselves accountable and following the rules that they constantly say they're following but never actually do. I always hate to crush someone's optimism, but Arm staff have proven completely incapable of this. Their words are as empty as the game is. As an optimist my only hope at this point is that the awful people that were once attached to this game at the hip never find another MU* they can put roots down in.
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spyguy
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Post by spyguy on Mar 19, 2023 8:39:01 GMT -5
There are many things wrong with this game. One idiot's sexist habits are just a portion of what's wrong, but until that one thing was brought to the fore, none of the other things were even acknowledged in the Armageddon community. Years went by where these things plagued the game and you couldn't even mention it. That's fucked up. It wasn't until our real-life society reached a point where women can actually speak up against their abusers that wholly unrelated problems with ArmageddonMUD could even be discussed. See what I mean? I'm a man. I don't have a dog in the race of women's rights, as much as I'm in favor of that. I just see things for what they are, and it's clear that up until the proverbial beans were spilled, it wasn't even possible to talk about most of the problems that plague ArmageddonMUD. Now that the beans have then been spilled, however, it seems like we can talk about these things. It's good, but it's as if the dam was plugged by women's rights, and once that was removed, suddenly it isn't about that at all but rather about the censorship of opinions altogether. I get what you mean. Arm players only get to vote with their feet. I've done it many times before, usually after having to deal with a staffer like Nyr/Shalooonsh. This case became so public and the aftermath was so chaotic that it led to a lot of people doing just that. That then left other PCs in limbo as a bunch of their buddies quit/took a break and now we've got what we've got.
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Post by ocotilloskewers on Mar 19, 2023 12:37:41 GMT -5
There are also serious structural problems with the MUD that make playing it less enjoyable imo. Mage subclasses made mages an optimal choice as far as code goes. Guess who can't join 90% of clans? Gicks. There are also so many clans open and so much expected of PC leaders to involve other PCs that low player numbers -really- hurt the game. It doesn't matter if there are 20 people on Arm, it's so spread out that it can feel like a ghost town. Apoc benefits from having one main settlement and a staff that's enthusiastic about the reopening whereas Arm staff, until recently or maybe even now, were stretched thin. I liked Apoc just fine, wasn't really the same thing yet though.
I'm honestly hoping Arm isn't dead. I hope Arm can change and be better. As an old PC would say, 'Hope is shit.'
I remember on Arm, there'd be 40-50 players on before this whole shitstorm hit. I'm in literally the main play area of the game. Not a single soul to be seen, no board posts for a month, and the place is just totally dead.
This wasn't a chanced 'lull'. It's been like this for months, if not a year or more now. It is flawed game design. There is a way to 'open up alot of clans' to allow for people to play what they want, which I think is good if done in the right way, but the way it works right now is that all these other small, iso clans are far and away from any main play areas and, to boot, only encourage people to play outside the cities. Which is how you get a dead game like we have today.
Arm had 11 people on peak yesterday, whilst Apoc had 23.
Despite Apoc having 20-30 players on peak, it feels like 'the good old days' where everyone played around or in the cities, the taverns are absolutely packed most IC nights, people are interacting instead of being moody and isolated, there's new things to explore and do every single day, staff are actually interacting with the playerbase by leaving plot hooks open for everyone to take, and animating (they don't have to go through this incredibly slow bureaucracy and numerous levels of red tape that Arm staff do, they can just be GMs and actually have fun with it).
What Spyguy said about magick in Arm rings very true. Full guild mages are heavily gimped from doing anything 'conventional', and people who want to play a mage have to fully commit to it and dedicate themselves to it. In Arm, it is simply a Warrior+ to have 3 karma fireballz on your dwarf raider. There is literally no downside except not being able to join clans, but who needs a clan when you got fireballz?
Again, bad game design. I'm sad to see Arm die, but, the staff should've seen the writing on the walls.
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Post by jcarter on Mar 27, 2023 19:51:59 GMT -5
in other news, halaster is all bluster and has decided he actually isn't resigning
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