delirium
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Post by delirium on Mar 4, 2023 1:30:46 GMT -5
Thank you for that GDB post, LauraMars/Eukelade. It was spot on in every way. Even of they don't fix this shit, at least we know they had every chance to do so, and a goddamn road map to get there.
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Post by mehtastic on Mar 4, 2023 5:29:24 GMT -5
Overall, a lot of the posts are pretty good. In no particular order I liked Seeker's, LauraMars's, val's, and CirclelessBard's the most. Also have a soft spot for the moderated ones that I saved just because it's fun to run circles around staff.
I suspect the posts I like most are the ones that staff are least likely to actually accept.
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Post by eukelade on Mar 4, 2023 10:45:30 GMT -5
Overall, a lot of the posts are pretty good. In no particular order I liked Seeker's, LauraMars's, val's, and CirclelessBard's the most. Also have a soft spot for the moderated ones that I saved just because it's fun to run circles around staff. I suspect the posts I like most are the ones that staff are least likely to actually accept. Halaster sent me a message this morning thanking me for contributing, actually. He liked a lot of what I said. Everything I and lots of other people have suggested requires intense cooperative effort from everyone. The ability to harness that effort may no longer be there. But I hope there's still some creative alchemy sparking in there somewhere, if only so I don't have to remember such an important touchstone of my young adulthood so badly.
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Post by lurker on Mar 4, 2023 11:25:43 GMT -5
Watched them ban Fredd for calling them out on messed up shit.
I didn't screenshot it before they pulled the post down but he said that he saw one staff in a leader position, lose both their staff position and pc position because a player whispered to a staff friend on discord.
You know, the exact kind of thing that needs to be addressed.
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Post by mehtastic on Mar 4, 2023 11:49:58 GMT -5
Watched them ban Fredd for calling them out on messed up shit. I didn't screenshot it before they pulled the post down but he said that he saw one staff in a leader position, lose both their staff position and pc position because a player whispered to a staff friend on discord. You know, the exact kind of thing that needs to be addressed.
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Post by Azerbanjani on Mar 4, 2023 11:53:42 GMT -5
I can't tell what Fredd is trying to even say
A staffer lost their...staff PC? The player under them? They lost their staff position?...because the PC dm'd them on discord?
Can someone decipher wtf they just said
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Post by jcarter on Mar 4, 2023 12:33:31 GMT -5
why is it that players can and do receive bans instantly after such major offenses as being mean to a staff member or posting a manipulative DM from them
but removing a staffer and banning them from the game (if that even happens) takes weeks of discussion and internal review after years of public allegations from players were ignored
hmmmmm really makes you think
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Post by mehtastic on Mar 4, 2023 12:36:19 GMT -5
The reason why it takes so long to get a wagon is because staff are too busy circling them
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Post by eukelade on Mar 4, 2023 12:37:38 GMT -5
Watched them ban Fredd for calling them out on messed up shit. I didn't screenshot it before they pulled the post down but he said that he saw one staff in a leader position, lose both their staff position and pc position because a player whispered to a staff friend on discord. You know, the exact kind of thing that needs to be addressed. this post is still there (edited by Katima though.) afaik fredd is not banned?
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Post by mehtastic on Mar 4, 2023 12:53:49 GMT -5
Ah I see what you mean now. Sadly I don't have a backup from after Fredd made the post but before Katima edited it. I guess the staff win this one...
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Post by oeblisk on Mar 5, 2023 0:27:17 GMT -5
I posted in this GDB thread. I have no reason to think anyone even read my post. Oleupata is producer now and has made me feel quite unwelcome in recent months.
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Post by paladont on Mar 5, 2023 0:38:43 GMT -5
My favorite moderated response to the thread was this one. I'm not sure what rule it broke and there's some wisdom in it. Maybe staff should try keeping a minecraft server community together for some experience in responsible moderating. i.imgur.com/UumrzRL.png(edited for grammar fix)
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Post by mehtastic on Mar 5, 2023 4:41:57 GMT -5
My favorite moderated response to the thread was this one. I'm not sure what rule it broke and there's some wisdom in it. Maybe staff should try keeping a minecraft server community together for some experience in responsible moderating. i.imgur.com/UumrzRL.png(edited for grammar fix) A minecraft server would be perfect considering how much experience the staff have with creepers.
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Post by rahnevyn on Mar 5, 2023 10:37:32 GMT -5
I’ve been gone for a long time but every few years I get some weird compulsory urge to check on Armageddon and how it’s doing. I spent more time than I want to admit there during some very formative years. I had the privilege to meet some amazing people and experience some very awesome things.
So I caught wind of the latest drama and came by to take a peek and…
Well, just wow.
Bebop, Delerium, val and others - let me just say I’m here for y’all. I’m seeing so many names I respect in the list of people who have left and there’s probably many more who have given up quietly over the years. It’s sad.
Was Armageddon ever a great game or did we all just learn to cope with a flawed game to make beautiful and amazing experiences? I’m guessing it’s the latter, but I’m left wishing for what could have been if there had been more in place to keep the community together and flush out bad actors sooner.
I posted some of my own ideas about how things could be different, but I realize I was basically calling for a totally different game. At the end of the day, to me, the Armageddon I always wanted was a structured universe that let you create really compelling narratives with the other talented people m in the community. Laura/Eukelade’s point elsewhere about that side of the game coexisting with a system where you need to backstab skink lizards to gain skills is spot on. I think that’s the corruption at the whole root of things. Since 1998, the game never fully decided how it would work consistently. Staff tried to bandaid gaps between code and world with subjective judgements, players got jaded, staff used the privilege of their power to do the stuff they wanted because they could, people got angry, here we are.
Anyway, again, I’m just here to say hi to old friends and names I recognize and offer whatever encouragement I can. It’s super shitty you all have had to keep putting up with this. Maybe something newer, more egalitarian and more fun for everyone involved can come of it.
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Post by eukelade on Mar 5, 2023 10:47:04 GMT -5
hi rahnevyn
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