Clan Caps

how did not rezzing them deviate from the policy

gotcha now misunderstood what you meant before

the edit helped too

how did u confirm this as fact

its ok to say if u didnt and ur taking someones word for it but its useful for u to establish that difference

illumanti confirmed

thats fine but how did u confirm this as fact

if u dont want to say u can say so u dont have to deflect

They just don't want to do any more work than the absolute minimum necessary. It's the same reason Armageddon Reborn fell apart: if it's something that can't be phoned in, it doesn't get done. Same goes for resurrections. They have literally three things that warrant a rez: staff mistakes, bugs and "OOC collusion." And even within those three stingy items, they'll do whatever they can to avoid it.

You have to die directly from the bug, not as a consequence of events that happened due to a bug (i.e. you died because soldiers killed you, not because a bug caused the soldiers to attack you, so no rez). Basically, the bug itself has to be the direct, immediate cause of death, otherwise they'll tell you that "sometimes soldiers are crooked and will kill for no reason, it's part of le #harsh world."

OOC collusion is virtually impossible to prove, and effortless to whitewash, because you just have to have a brief in-game conversation where you plan to murder someone and now it's no longer OOC. I haven't heard of anyone getting rezzed in this context since Pearl, and... that was Pearl, so enough said. This clause was created for Pearl and probably hasn't been used since.

Besides, how is two players planning a kill on AIM any worse than one player taking it upon himself to grief and troll the game out of spite? What makes communicating a kill worse than deliberately refraining from roleplaying? This is the very first of the game's core rules:
Failure to roleplay can result in the removal of your character or banning from the game, but the actions you commit through non-roleplay are apparently sacred as long as you didn't collude with a buddy outside of the game? What kind of priority system is that?

Staff fuckups will be covered up by staff in order to save face--I doubt that anything short of an imm accidentally typing 'slay amos' instead of 'stat amos' would result in a rez. We've seen plenty of examples where a bullshit staff-caused death will be justified by their fellow staff if there's any conceivable way at all to contrive it, and there almost always is. They're a team and the playerbase is a different team.

On Shadows of Isildur and Atonement, I've seen people get resurrected for the following:

- The server lagged out for ten minutes, causing NPCs to kill unresponsive characters who wouldn't normally have died there.
- A newly added mob was badly designed and unintentionally one-shotting people.
- NPC guard getting stuck while dragging a character to jail, who slowly bleed to death from a non-fatal wound.
- Inexperienced staff misjudging combat balance and loading up excessive amounts of mobs during an RPT.
- Players abusing broken code to exploit in PvP, e.g. getting horses to guard/rescue them.
- Players creating characters to grief-PK their previous PC's enemies as revenge for recent IC events.
- Total newbies not understanding that it's a roleplaying game and randomly spraying machineguns at people in the starting area.

And many other similar things. None of these would have warranted a rez on Armageddon. You know what negative consequences there were to these rezzes? None whatsoever. Absolutely zero problems were caused by retconning absurd deaths that should not have happened and were only made possible by flawed code or non-roleplay. Letting those deaths stand is objectively worse than the brief, miniscule lapse in immersion of seeing someone die in some nonsensical way and be returned to life with an OOC explanation.

On Armageddon, I've seen people denied a resurrection in the following cases, and many others like them:

- Killed by archery spam from two rooms away in a blinding sandstorm. It was deemed plausible.
- Multiplaying griefer using throwaway PCs to kill several random people in Allanak for no reason at all.
- Brainfarting clanlead typing 'kick man' when trying to kick the man from a clan, causing man's death by NPC gangbang.
- Templar forgetting to pardon a guy before removing him from jail and releasing subdue in front of soldiers who promptly kill him.
- Starving to death while linkdead, with food in inventory.
- PC A kills PC B who is still under the 2 hour grace period and respawns, speedwalks back, kills the wounded PC A.

What possible purpose is served by letting such deaths stand? Obviously if you request a rez two days later and people have held a funeral for your character, that's one thing; but how often does that really happen? Staff will routinely deny a rez on the grounds of IC integrity even when there has been no reaction yet and the death was something that would literally not have been possible in reality. Even if you get hold of staff immediately and there's ample time to move the corpse and assess the situation before anyone else has so much as entered the room, you will almost certainly be informed that you're out of luck for some arbitrary nonsense reason.

They act as if the rules are some kind of untouchable thing, and sometimes they've even acknowledged that a death was wrong but they still can't do anything because the circumstances weren't covered by these three ancient criteria written in like 1998 by people who probably don't even have anything to do with the game anymore. These rules were written before there was such a thing as VPNs, but they haven't thought to add a clause like "if the killer is multiplaying in order to mask their actions..." so when that happens, they shrug and point to the fact that it isn't covered by the rules. Or even just something simple like "if a player wilfully breaks the game's core rules while carrying out an action, the action can be retconned." Why do they act as if the resurrection rules are outside their power to change or interpret?

If I message Bob and tell him to log in because the planned hit on Joe's character will happen today, Joe will get a rez. If I log on with a different IP, create a new account, make a throwaway character and beeline to kill Joe's character, Joe will not get a rez. What?!

I think the rez rules are better stated as "You're not going to get one. Don't ask."