julio
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Post by julio on Jun 26, 2018 9:21:26 GMT -5
Use your energy and create a new mud. I think 100% of arm players would try it. I'll help build. I like whatever has good emote code. |
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Jun 26, 2018 16:02:23 GMT -5
Use your energy and create a new mud. I think 100% of arm players would try it. hey guys, take that five minutes it took to shitpost about the current state of arm and turn it into months of work followed by potential years of commitment yeah sure ok |
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Post by pinkerdlu on Jun 26, 2018 16:32:02 GMT -5
"heheh, u dont like armagedon? well how bout u try and make ur own mud!"  |
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julio
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Post by julio on Jun 26, 2018 16:39:21 GMT -5
Use your energy and create a new mud. I think 100% of arm players would try it. hey guys, take that five minutes it took to shitpost about the current state of arm and turn it into months of work followed by potential years of commitment yeah sure ok go Fuck yourself |
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sneazy
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Post by sneazy on Jun 26, 2018 18:01:13 GMT -5
I prefer the shitty arm RPers stay at arm.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2018 20:39:26 GMT -5
I feel like if you're going to talk about the staff in your review, you should talk about the current staff. Listing people that aren't staff anymore while forgetting to list staff that are currently on the team just feeds the narrative that everyone on this board is an autist screeching about the distant past. There is plenty wrong with the current staff anyway. Your worship of Shalooonsh and Calavera is LOL-worthy. Could you substantiate any of these points please? |
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Post by sirra on Jul 6, 2018 23:23:14 GMT -5
The tragedy of Armageddon, is that it would have thrived and continued to thrived with a relatively hands-off approach. But the cancerous shiftiness of Nessalin and opportunists like Nyr (who did in fact, start as players that loved Armageddon so much they just wanted more power over it), combined with extremely flakey/laughably bad management practices, ruined it for everyone.
There was a point, shortly before the Arm II catastrophe, where staff started taking themselves way too seriously, pretending they were more important than they really were, with pipe-dreams about potentially monetizing their hobby. Over time, the staff culture became toxic, and stayed toxic, because the game remained dependent on toxic people that wouldn't leave. You can trace all of staff's worst cultural traits to Nyr, Nessalin and yes, even Adhira. Adhira is the quintessential example of vaguely well meaning but harmfully incompetent bureaucracy. She attained the position she did through sheer inertia, when most any other sane person would have checked out. Even Nyr eventually checked out.
In many ways, Nyr was similar to Sanvean. In that he had self-delusions he was working on an actual game, and even though he made bad decisions, he thought he was making good ones for the game. He was balls in on Arm 2 and such.
Nessalin is different in that he's completely self-centered. Armageddon to him is just an ant farm that he can gaze at with a vacant stare in his glossy pig eyes. Adhira just decided to make corraling Armageddon staffers her hobby, instead of becoming a full-time cat lady.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 1:38:24 GMT -5
Out of curiosity. Can you provide the tiniest shred of evidence that any staffer of any real longevity (let's say beyond 3 months) have 'ever' wanted to monetize Arm, or Arm 2.
A quote, a log, a forum post, a mention in irc by someone? Just anything really?
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eru
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Post by eru on Jul 7, 2018 5:36:29 GMT -5
qwerty is staff confirmed.
big if true.
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jkarr
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Post by jkarr on Jul 7, 2018 10:09:36 GMT -5
Nessalin is different in that he's completely self-centered. Armageddon to him is just an ant farm that he can gaze at with a vacant stare in his glossy pig eyes. Adhira just decided to make corraling Armageddon staffers her hobby, instead of becoming a full-time cat lady. rather she became a fulltime kanklady then bailed after she killed them off |
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punished ppurg
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Why are we still here? Just to suffer?
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Post by punished ppurg on Jul 7, 2018 12:11:28 GMT -5
Out of curiosity. Can you provide the tiniest shred of evidence that any staffer of any real longevity (let's say beyond 3 months) have 'ever' wanted to monetize Arm, or Arm 2. A quote, a log, a forum post, a mention in irc by someone? Just anything really? Cat Rambo (Sanvean in Armageddon terms) intended on using the Zalanthas setting for her short stories, novels, etc. There are currently two books on Amazon that are monetizing Armageddon. and
Now you may be saying, "But that's not monetizing the MUD." Great way to move the goal-posts, buddy. Let me tell you a little something about intellectual property.
Armageddon was, at its core founding, a Dark Sun MUD. The evidence for this is expansive: cannibal halflings, sorcerer kings, avangions and dragons as the result of sorcery: harsh desert planet. Kanks. You get the picture, it was a Dark Sun setting in everything but name. The Dark Sun intellectual property is owned by Wizards of the Coast, and they don't really care if someone is using their material so long as their bottom line isn't affected.
Cat Rambo, in her short dream to monetize the Armageddon setting via means of novelization, led a series of slash-and-burn changes to the game in effort to remove the most egregious links to Dark Sun. This is why halflings were removed; and if you take a look at the staff wikileak, you'll see a heartbreaking tale of one staffer's code quest to put about ~4 months of work into halfling viability before they were wiped from the game due to intellectual property reasons. This is why kanks were removed. Some would say this is why "fun" was removed; since Dark Sun is a fun environment and we can't be having that lest we're getting sued for one of our staffers' attempts to monetize Dark Sun fanfiction without royalty licensing from WoTC.
Alas, Sanvean burned out with the setting and took off to go write more weird sci-fi; and all of the content removed on account of her publishing fears will likely never return. Truly, we've received the worst of both worlds here.
So to your point: "Has any staffer ever wanted to monetize Arm?" Yes. And you can buy the ebook right now.
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Post by shakes on Jul 7, 2018 12:35:41 GMT -5
I always thought that the change from Dark Sun (thin as it was) came about during that era where WOTC was sending out cease and desist letters to a bunch of muds in preparation for their Neverwinter Nights release.
I was staff on a mud called Faerun at the time (now Rauvyon) and the owner of the mud got scared enough by that letter to change the whole setting. The couple of resident cat ladies who really ran things there came to me and said, "we're changing the setting" and I argued for about three days that such a letter had no real legal ramifications and that a non-monetized mud was no different than a tabletop game at someone's house. No, their minds were made up so I resolved for at least the interesting process of creating a new setting. But turned out they'd already brainstormed all that and just wanted me to rewrite room descriptions. The setting they did was this Irish-themed fairy setting. It didn't last. I don't even know if the mud is still online. This has been like 20 years.
In general, nobody cares for your private fantasy settings. They like the canonized worlds where everything is in agreement. I'm still waiting for someone to come up with a decent Spelljammer mud. I loved that setting.
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ibusoe
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Post by ibusoe on Jul 8, 2018 14:23:11 GMT -5
I find this a bit melodramatic. People aren't 'luring and tricking' other people into joining Arm. If they are writing positive reviews, I'm pretty sure it's because they like the game and want people to come play with them, not because they want to somehow ruin their lives with...what, a bad game? So what? They'll quit if they hate it, and hopefully they'll find another game, maybe after writing their own negative reviews.
I don't. It accurately describes what the Arm playing experience is likely to be, unless you're roommates with one of the staff or something.
Arm staff are essentially trying to hack this site, because they're that focused on control and griefing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 14:07:26 GMT -5
Nessalin is different in that he's completely self-centered. Armageddon to him is just an ant farm that he can gaze at with a vacant stare in his glossy pig eyes. Adhira just decided to make corraling Armageddon staffers her hobby, instead of becoming a full-time cat lady. rather she became a fulltime kanklady then bailed after she killed them off Reading Purg's post and contemplating my answer I read this post as well. I think Jkarr's confusing Adhira with Sanvean? Or Vanth? Or this is just a sentence that revolves around 'anything that's negative and the factual details be damned'. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 14:18:22 GMT -5
qwerty is staff confirmed. big if true. I am not part of staff. It's not as big as you think it is. There are a few staffers who occasionally participate/participated in these forums. This does not in any way affect 'anything. Even if I was staff, that would mean what exactly? That I'm full of deceit and out to steal your first born? Just read what I write, study my arguments and arguments of others. What my background is literally irrelevant. You disagree with me? Alright. Provide your own counterarguments. Provide at least some semblance of proof, or at least some type of circumstantial type of proof. Whether I'm staff, not staff, an active player, an inactive player, or Nyr himself truly should not affect 'anything'. |
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