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Post by jcarter on May 27, 2018 17:49:32 GMT -5
if i were in the hot seat i don't think i'd ban rape until now or maybe some point last year. times and sensibilities have changed. society now struggles to separate the art from the artist, so i doubt that players could handle separating actions from the player.
a bit of a tangent but i follow a subreddit discussing author gene wolfe. his most well-known series, Book of the New Sun, is told in the first person by an unreliable narrator that's penning his memoirs about his journey towards becoming the autarch (king). the protagonist is a complex character that's never meant to be seen as a 'good guy': his life was spent being raised as a torturer in a monastic lifestyle, he acted as executioner, and the society he lives in is cruel, basically medieval, and uncaring. without fail, there's someone somehow making the connection to gene wolfe and accusing him of being a misogynist because severian views and treats many women as sexual objects. there's never an substance behind these claims or instances of improper behavior-- gene wolfe was wildly in love, devoted, and caring to his wife of 50+ years. ursula le guin heaped praises on him and his work. yet there's always people out there who are unable to separate him from a character he wrote.
i don't think arm players could handle separating a player from a character for a IG rape. members of the pbase hold grudges against each other for years. the gdb is a shithole of snarky nerds nipping at each other over suggesting minor changes to the game and trying to get under their skin for it. the pbase, which i expect is probably mostly over the age of 30, is too immature to handle things. i mean for christ's sake they had to ban using the word 'necker'.
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Post by mehtastic on May 27, 2018 20:09:05 GMT -5
I believe the banning of rape had more to do with how shit most people are at roleplaying around it, as opposed to some moral stance. Far too many players were far too willing to take up their torches and pitchforks against anyone who was even -hinted- to have raped someone else. Hell, I've even had a character catch shit from a superior when shrugging and saying, "do we really give a shit?" when one of the newer runners tried accusing a trooper of some indecent act . And then when players figured this phenomenon out, they were quick to abuse it as much as possible by accusing characters they didn't like of rape. Of all the things staff have taken away, re-allowing rape would restore the game the least. To those that think that rape is harsh, I agree with you. Rape is definitely harsh. Arguably the harshest thing that can happen to a person. Give it to the retards currently playing Armageddon and see how well they use it as a plot tool. Hint: it will be used for little besides shock value and to get some mudsex from the male playing a female playing hard to get. Then it's back to Armageddon high school RP again, where you get to enjoy TeenNick-level drama from the 33-year-old basement dwellers with actual fucking permanent Armageddon-themed tattoos that make up your average Armageddon players. I almost wish they do bring back rape just so the game can be fucking destroyed by it. |
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Post by legendary on May 27, 2018 21:15:01 GMT -5
I believe the banning of rape had more to do with how shit most people are at roleplaying around it, as opposed to some moral stance. Far too many players were far too willing to take up their torches and pitchforks against anyone who was even -hinted- to have raped someone else. Hell, I've even had a character catch shit from a superior when shrugging and saying, "do we really give a shit?" when one of the newer runners tried accusing a trooper of some indecent act . In large part, this is the case. The discussion around it revolved around it being used in and out of game as a way for players to manipulate people, when as a theme it shouldn't have been something that mattered unless it crossed social bounds or the attacker and/or victim had status that made the act a social faux pas. There were people, some of which are three (former eight) karma players, who would use the real world stigma of rape to get their way in the game, when it made absolutely no sense for it to happen. They're now staff favorites and GDB divas, hailed for their experience and longevity in the community. Draw your own conclusions.
It became such an effective tactic that 'rape' was becoming something PCs in a position of power were having their Aides and employees cry, for political purposes. "Do we really give a shit?" as the average response would have mitigated using rape (or rather, getting raped) as the counter-intuitive weapon it had become, but that never happened. If it did happen, the white knights would have torn the person who said it to pieces with no consequences to speak of. It would be even worse now if it'd never been censored away.
I'm an advocate for it being gone for personal and moralistic reasons, but the main points raised against it were for the most part practical and legitimate. There was a lot of laziness involved, too, since staff at the time were constantly having to look into these scenes to determine things like OOC consent and legitimacy when someone sent in complaints. In a lot of cases, the people sending in complaints weren't even involved in the scenes, but were instead people who were "hurt" as collateral damage, like lovers and mates. There were some other reasons, too. One of the most understated being how more often than not, it was reinforcing a medieval earth view of male vs female power. There is no reason why a man would glory in forcing himself on women, because they're women, but that was an almost universal justification for what they were doing. In a similar vein, many of the women who were rape-baiting were consistently portraying women as servile, meek and subject to male approval and dominance, rather than being equals who happened to end up on different sides of a situational power struggle. They're both thoroughly poor depictions of Zalanthans of either gender, but they were far and away the most common involved in rape scenes.
Why don't you sick dudes just kill the person and take advantage of their corpse? That's allowed. That should be enough for you. because genius its sweeter when they struggle This is a lot closer to the mark than a person might suspect.
There was a very, very large kink following for rape scenes, especially with female characters who would be classified as underage/children by real world standards. There was a former staffer/player who used to roll up these 'ready-made victim' PCs for what seemed to be the express purpose of getting them raped in graphic detail, either to get the center of attention pity she craved or the unrealistic amount of benefits those characters received on account of all the white knights that would pour from every alcove to comfort her. I think it was a combination of both, having seen some of the scenes play out in real time and spoken with her on several occasions.
It still raises some attention when people hear that Arm allows for sexual relations with characters who are as young as thirteen years old. When they were being raped, tortured and murdered on a regular basis, it presented a not unfounded fear of legal liability in American courts. Especially when a certain female staffer at the time was having a sexually themed internet relationship with a guy in his early teens, which was found out by his parents at some point. Nothing specific came of it and it wasn't discussed too openly, but it was something that intensified the concerns about legal liabilities. If someone looked into that, they might look at Arm as an enabler or source of encouragement for that kind of behavior.
It didn't exactly come as a surprise that when the censorship for rape came down, the players who had become well-known for making rape-me and back-to-back rapists all left in short order in search of more favorable pastures.
As was noted by the silicon throne, the players of Armageddon are and always have been on the extreme end of immature. The argument for it being thematically appropriate was made mute because of players (and certain staff) using it to sate their 'controversial' kinks, using it to manipulate the game by playing upon real life sensibilities or in some cases, to troll and antagonize other players by being as blatantly and aggressively offensive as possible over off-game disputes.
It was the right decision back then and considering the maturity of the game has only continued to slide with time, it remains the right decision.
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Post by julio on May 27, 2018 21:25:33 GMT -5
I'm 1000% certain that I see the word "necker" more now that it is on the logon screen than I ever did in game.
Lol. It's actually really funny. They don't want players to use the word, but it shows up once at every players logon.
Fucking asinine.
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Post by jkarr on May 28, 2018 6:36:11 GMT -5
The argument for it being thematically appropriate was made mute because of players (and certain staff) using it to sate their 'controversial' kinks no one should be caring abt the players reason for playing the char that urs is expected to respond to icly using it to manipulate the game by playing upon real life sensibilities needlessly focusing on ooc sensibilities in a game that is explicitly ic, they should try focusing on their chars response to whatever the fuck is happening ig instead of giving a fuck about the ooc motives of the person puppeting the chars they designed theirs to interact with to troll and antagonize other players by being as blatantly and aggressively offensive as possible over off-game disputes. first idiot mistake is linking ur game char to ur online persona second if u ignore the first point fucking report it if they do troll and antagonize u off-game as a result |
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Post by mehtastic on May 28, 2018 7:17:18 GMT -5
Maybe they should rename the game to Pedogeddon, to better match the sensibilities of the majority of the playerbase that rolls 13 to 17 year old PCs, or has their older PCs fuck these younger PCs.
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Post by julio on May 28, 2018 8:07:23 GMT -5
Maybe they should rename the game to Pedogeddon. YES! Crazy that pedofilia then murder of said child is allowed but raping the disgraced byn sergeant Bartok will get you banned. |
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Post by jkarr on May 28, 2018 11:14:58 GMT -5
Maybe they should rename the game to Pedogeddon. YES! Crazy that pedofilia then murder of said child is allowed but raping the disgraced byn sergeant Bartok will get you banned. lol storytime who was bartok and what did they do |
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Post by lechuck on May 28, 2018 13:03:07 GMT -5
On his first job, the Kadian wagon he was escorting fell into a ravine and got wrecked. I'm told he made a half-giant call out directions instead of doing it himself.
Also he just seems a bit dumb. He's the kind of player who can't spell and hasn't heard of punctuation or apostrophes, doesn't know the difference between your and you're, character has no detectable personality, etc.
Other than that, he doesn't seem like a bad guy. Just very low-effort RP.
On that note, is it just me or have the writing standards plummeted in recent years? It seems a rarity nowadays to find a player who can put a full stop at the end of a sentence and emote more than three words. It's becoming embarrassing to be part of.
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Post by mehtastic on May 28, 2018 13:27:59 GMT -5
Did Bartok rise up through the ranks or was he a sponsored app? If it's the latter, the Arm staff are really scraping the barrel these days. LOL
Re. writing standards: No, it's not just you. It's been getting worse and worse as everyone's standards go down. Lower standards for sponsored roles, lower standards for who gets to join staff, and lower standards that players hold each other to.
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Post by lechuck on May 28, 2018 13:28:51 GMT -5
He's sponsored.
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Post by julio on May 28, 2018 20:57:04 GMT -5
Bartok also fled to allanak after the people who hired him were being overrun by gith.
So... He would be the perfect person to tie up and ass rape. Murder is a bit much...
But rules. There must be other ways to violate people. Is molestation okay?
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Post by mehtastic on May 28, 2018 21:03:36 GMT -5
I'm sure the lectures he gets from staff on how to play in the Byn properly are enough of an ass-raping for him.
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Post by magickone on May 29, 2018 9:30:31 GMT -5
Maybe they should rename the game to Pedogeddon. YES! Crazy that pedofilia then murder of said child is allowed but raping the disgraced byn sergeant Bartok will get you banned.
Did you get banned for raping the disgraced byn sergeant?
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Post by julio on May 29, 2018 12:31:49 GMT -5
YES! Crazy that pedofilia then murder of said child is allowed but raping the disgraced byn sergeant Bartok will get you banned.
Did you get banned for raping the disgraced byn sergeant?
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