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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 22:29:31 GMT -5
imagine being so mad at a text game from the 90's that you no longer play that you criticize people who don't write off the enjoyment of strangers who are still involved as being acceptable collateral damage in your unhealthy obsession for e-vengeance whilst being baffled that you're not universally accepted as a heroic freedom fighter of your chosen hobby Ever notice that the GDB seems to have a bit of a liberal bent while the shadowboard seems to have a bit of a conservative bent, at least relative to each other? Could be coincidence. I don't think so though. Among other things, there are idealogical differences in the players. Think about how the game is managed. Which leaning would you hold to this, ah, administrative structure? The shadowboard exists for more than one reason, but here are a few couple to think about: 1) The moderation on the GDB does not lend itself to aforementioned 'idealogical differences,' even if posted in a very positive and well mannered way. You'll get people who are being outright dicks but who are acting in popular opinion so you'll get hammered by staff if you react the same way (while they don't, at least not how you would/will anyways). This is exacerbated given stances like 'obscurity makes bad things better.' It doesn't. Thinking like that makes it harder to talk about things to improve them though. Either you agree with everything at the level-at-which-things-are-not-discussed ('this very specifically works this way and it would work this way for blah blah blah') or you don't and can't do anything about it. 2) Imagine loving something, being treated unfairly by player(s), staff, or even circumstance, and feeling either silenced or punished when trying to find some sense of ... reciprocation in that expression. There's probably a better word but that's the best I got just now. While this certainly can conflict with IC vs OOC interests, those rules wouldn't generally be what I'd point to as the proximate cause or otherwise the big factors at play. Also, can someone link me to the post where jcarter was baffled that the gdb wouldn't accept him as a heroic freedom fighter as his chosen hobby when he created this forum? I can't seem to find it.
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 15, 2017 22:30:13 GMT -5
This is a bit of a tangent, but please explain to me how describing an action loop in a game is "assaulting" that game. I don't normally quote because I am forum retarded and I normally fuck it up but someone up there said an example of an "assault" is revealing the routes and items that merchants can use to make money.
Why?
I don't know if you know this but games are designed based on action loops. Even games that aren't designed with that intention follow the same principal. This is an action loop.
Login -> Gear up -> Hunt NPCs -> Get materials -> Craft or Sell materials -> Sell Crafted materials
To be a hunter you do this, basically. It is a loop which begins and ends with you having successfully accomplished hunting. For merchants that loop includes selling stuff in another place because duh different places have different prices. Just because RP games have RP doesn't somehow make understanding a mechanic a dirty thing because understanding a mechanic doesn't mean you'll ignore RP to take advantage of it. However knowing how the mechanics (and world) works just means you can make more accurate concepts that work with the game world instead of against it.
TLDR - Explaining shit even active plots is not an assault on the game. At worst it's against the wishes of the staff and players who want to stay in the dark. But otherwise it's just folk talking because people like to talk about stuff they like.
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Post by iamjacksopinion on Feb 16, 2017 9:35:15 GMT -5
A game loop is a programmatic construct that plays on repeat non-stop whil the game is running. Check for user input, run npc reaponse or other timed processing, repeat dozens of times per second. You described a player strategy for obtaining wealth.
Agree with everything else though. Staff uses the word "attack" in the broadest and most sensational sense possible.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 11:20:19 GMT -5
All people like Malifaxis or lurklard or whoever can really muster is a snarky comment or two without really getting into the meat and potatoes of this board.
They would rather make blanket statements/accusations instead of addressing some of the real problems, like abusing staff powers to help out your RL girlfriend's character... it's reasons like that which made this board swell, because if that shit was ever brought up on the GDB, it would get deleted in a blink.
So, posing as the righteous good guys, all some of them can do is feign snootiness, refusing to face how maybe they're a little resentful that actual wrongdoings - involving themselves/their friends - have been brought to light here.
Nergal was cutthroat, right? Well, you can look at that thread in the general discussion section posted in late January on the GDB to see the collectivism towards this board that has become the party line.
What's disappointing is when good players turn into the exact sorta Nyrfrey's and Halasters that they once talked trash about - when people you genuinely considered your friends grow resentful for having their misconduct pointed out and choose to follow in the footsteps of wretched dickheads instead of even attempting to broker resolutions or repair broken communities. Instead of being the bigger man and trying to right the wrongs of those who came before them, like Nyr, they keep the wounds open to appease those that granted them authority and even throw in a little salt to show they're For Real in their hatred of this board... which is one of the only places to speak freely about ArmageddobMUD outside of the group aim chats led by the same people that would criticize this place.
As if breaking the rules in private somehow granted them the right to act arrogant/spiteful. Spare me, lurklord, that kind of sneering condescension, and maybe go fuck yourself, too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 13:12:34 GMT -5
I gotta disagree with whoever characterized this board as more conservative and the GDB having a more liberal tilt, too.
There may be some conservative people who post here, like vocal Trump supporters, but, in practice, this board is on the far left/libertarian/something as far as the freedom to say what you want goes.
In contrast, the GDB moderates heavily - and, frequently, arbitrarily, like I saw when Malken trolled me upon trying to go back to the GDB... when I responded in turn, I was punished (permanently banned) and he wasn't. If you want to call that a liberal or otherwise progressive way of handing situations, well, just remember when Bernie Sanders handed the mic to those young black girls who were shouting him down in the primaries. Then remember how Hillary responded when a black woman called her out for calling black youths dangerous super-predators or some such and Clinton responded with a vicious sort of indignant snobbery.
One of those responses was actually progressive and forward-thinking while the other exposed authoritarian, corporate snootiness beneath a shallow veneer of liberalism.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 13:19:53 GMT -5
I don't think this board is the forum equivalent of Bernie Sanders having a bird land on his shoulder while mid-speech behind a podium but at least it serves to escape the authoritarian impulse to crush dissenting opinions about real issues that has become par for the course for the GDB.
I bet many of the people looking down their noses at their forum supported Sanders yet do not grasp the hypocrisy of embracing dated ideologies held by some members of staff that embody some of the worst things they hate that are currently going down in the United States, like media censorship, cries of fake news, etc.
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Post by Amos's Boots on Feb 16, 2017 14:34:14 GMT -5
The warning has been issued.
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 16, 2017 15:10:56 GMT -5
That's just dumb... Hopefully just really trolly and not serious 0_0
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Post by jcarter on Feb 16, 2017 15:30:15 GMT -5
The warning has been issued. For the love of God please don't do shit like this, even as a joke, because now those retards are going to claim that we are trying to sic white nationalists on them and THEY DON'T FEEL SAFE ANYMORE
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Post by topkekm8s on Feb 16, 2017 18:23:09 GMT -5
multi-dimensional lmao
what even is going on here anymore
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Post by dunebum on Feb 16, 2017 18:35:48 GMT -5
So let me get this straight. A -current- player who has not been banned is threatening staff via the request tool, demanding their character not be killed. This is either an epic troll photoshop or someone is mentally unstable. They may be taking this round of banning farther than they should, but I don't think harassing them is going to get you anywhere.
For clarity's sake, this person is acting on their own and without anyone egging them on.
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Post by dcdc on Feb 16, 2017 18:56:09 GMT -5
multi-dimensional lmao what even is going on here anymore We lost our way Senpai!
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Post by punished ppurg on Feb 16, 2017 18:59:25 GMT -5
So let me get this straight. A -current- player who has not been banned is threatening staff via the request tool, demanding their character not be killed. This is either an epic troll photoshop or someone is mentally unstable. They may be taking this round of banning farther than they should, but I don't think harassing them is going to get you anywhere. For clarity's sake, this person is acting on their own and without anyone egging them on. It's not his character, baka. It's Armali.
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Post by iamjacksopinion on Feb 16, 2017 21:41:51 GMT -5
Amos's Boots; you're either a good troll or a fucking retard. I honestly can't tell.
On a side note, is Armali really still alive??? That character would have to be like 80 at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 22:13:37 GMT -5
Still alive. Old, but alive.
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