punished ppurg
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Post by punished ppurg on Feb 14, 2017 13:45:09 GMT -5
Give it a couple months, dudes will be back here under different accounts and untraceable.
No matter how autistic Nergal is, I doubt he can pinpoint the account of someone trying to hide themselves.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Feb 14, 2017 14:17:10 GMT -5
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Post by BitterFlashback on Feb 14, 2017 21:17:08 GMT -5
Someone sends:
"In the Game of Bans, you either Ban or Die."
Someone slaps you in the face with their e-peen.
Disconnecting...Though some of the staff may deserve it, they will use innocent players as human shields. So, entirely new member, you're of the opinion we should censor ourselves because one of the 8 people still playing Arm might get hurt for it. That certainly doesn't reek of manipulation. |
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Post by iamjacksopinion on Feb 15, 2017 12:10:20 GMT -5
So, entirely new member, you're of the opinion we should censor ourselves because one of the 8 people still playing Arm might get hurt for it. That certainly doesn't reek of manipulation. New screen name, but posted for some time under Tektolnes as was hinted at in my initial post. And no, I'm not recommending anyone censor themselves. Say whatever you want. I'm pointing out that if Amos Boots were to follow through on his theat to unleash his 1337 4chan hacker army, he'd hurt maybe a dozen staffers who would in turn punish a hundred or so active players who still enjoy the game. He can do as he wishes, but I would implore him not to. |
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Post by lurklord on Feb 15, 2017 12:59:12 GMT -5
imagine being so mad at a text game from the 90's that you no longer play that you criticize people who don't write off the enjoyment of strangers who are still involved as being acceptable collateral damage in your unhealthy obsession for e-vengeance whilst being baffled that you're not universally accepted as a heroic freedom fighter of your chosen hobby
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 13:39:57 GMT -5
The unchecked hostility and toxic behavior of staff members like Nyr and others are part of the reason this board swelled to what it is now. There definitely were/are excellent staff members with great attitudes, and they should be just as upset as this large section of the playerbase that the nasty behavior of other staffers overshadows the good that's been done in the game.
If people are prevented from expressing their frustrations/disagreements on the GDB and, in fact, are punished when they do so... then the ArmageddonMUD staff should not try to feign shock when another outlet that allows such rockets to prominence.
One of the things this board has allowed is the exposure of toxic behavior/attitudes that were once easier for them to cover up. Before this board, a staffer like Nyr could totally railroad someone, laugh about it, and go about their merry way.
Now, when shit like that goes down, at least players have a venue through which they are able to publish these situations and vent.
If anyone reading this believes that staff have not tried to correct these shortcomings as a direct result of this forum, they're wrong.
I find it unfortunate that players who still continue to play/enjoy ArmageddonMUD are being banned for reading/commenting on this forum, but, for many of us, well... we were not the ones who threw the first stones. Many people who post here do so because they've felt the brunt of the toxic staffers like Nyr.
This board is not the problem. This board is a symptom of a disease that has infected ArmageddonMUD since the Reign of Nyrffrey.
The staff can ban players all they want, but nothing will ever truly be repaired/resolved until they make an effort to fix the problems with the way the game/administration is being run.
Heavy handed censorship and mocking spite will only exacerbate the issues plaguing ArmageddonMUD.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 13:59:13 GMT -5
Some members of staff made an agenda out of nitpicking, censoring, or otherwise criticizing players. Often, this is entirely arbitrary and, frankly, personal: it's the people that certain staff members don't/didn't like who faced the bulk of this criticism.
And for the staff to try to act indignant when they, in turn, are criticized, well... at best, it just seems extremely silly and hypocritical to me.
If you're going to dish it, you need to be prepared to take it.
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Post by jenki on Feb 15, 2017 15:05:46 GMT -5
Someone sends:
"In the Game of Bans, you either Ban or Die."
Someone slaps you in the face with their e-peen.
Disconnecting...Though some of the staff may deserve it, they will use innocent players as human shields. So, entirely new member, you're of the opinion we should censor ourselves because one of the 8 people still playing Arm might get hurt for it. That certainly doesn't reek of manipulation. Is this real? If so when did this happen? imagine being so mad at a text game from the 90's that you no longer play that you criticize people who don't write off the enjoyment of strangers who are still involved as being acceptable collateral damage in your unhealthy obsession for e-vengeance whilst being baffled that you're not universally accepted as a heroic freedom fighter of your chosen hobby It'd seem that if someone were to really want to attack the game, the sensitive IC info of ongoing plots would be easily disrupted by someone using simultaneous characters across multiple accounts. It could really devastate game play, especially if it were some coordinate effort between more than one person. People become irrational/crazy when they are angry. Maybe they are banning people because they are angry. I can see how reading this board might do that. Why are people here angry? Why are staff angry? Are they justified in their anger? Maybe, maybe not. That's a complicated discussion that isn't likely to happen. But are people from this board colluding and sharing IC info and ruining plots? This happens all the time, and primarily by staff pets and staffers themselves, but ere the people here fucking up plots and things by sharing IC info here on this board? I guess it could be happening in private channels even if I'm not seeing it. Based on staff's attitude I doubt that's the reason behind the bans, and I'd say that was justified. If what they are calling attacks is the dissent that happens on the board here, I'm not taking claims of attack seriously. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 15:36:53 GMT -5
Attacking the game in a real sense would be like me taking something that I know a lot about - for instance, the trade routes, the best items to sell and where, and basically everything relating to making money with merchants/haggle - and creating spoiler documents that would ruin that aspect of the game.
I've never done that or anything close to it. I can maybe think of ONE post I made that was spoilerish... and it was a silly blurb about how a character of mine had helped save Armani when she was still a newb. I'm pretty sure I deleted it, too, after a couple of people cried foul.
There is a difference between trying to sabotage a game and criticizing some of the absurdities/mistakes carried out by a select few members of the administration.
I think there are plenty of people who read/post to this board who would like to see ArmageddonMUD become a better, fairer game... and, to be sure, I think the game has changed for the better - overall - as a direct result of this board and how it has affected the community as a whole.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Feb 15, 2017 15:50:14 GMT -5
imagine being so mad at a text game from the 90's that you no longer play that you criticize people who don't write off the enjoyment of strangers who are still involved as being acceptable collateral damage in your unhealthy obsession for e-vengeance whilst being baffled that you're not universally accepted as a heroic freedom fighter of your chosen hobby Meh. To be fair, I don't think anybody here wants "e-vengeance" or to be recognized as some sort of hero. We just want the good ol'e days back. Before the x-men of impending 2.Arm, and before certain staff members reached levels of cuntitude previously unheard of. we just want armageddon, our (often) 10+ year hobby to be great again :c |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 17:38:45 GMT -5
What PMS said.
Everyone - players and staff alike - makes mistakes. I think some members of the staff made mistakes that led to more and more people posting here.
I also think that banning people until they delete their account on this forum is a mistake.
I don't agree with some of the stuff that gets posted here. And with some current stuff, well, I don't know enough to weigh in... like most of the posts about Nergal.
But I do know that frequently heavy handed attempts to silence/purge criticism is what led to many people coming here in the first place. I came here the first time after having my posts edited/censored by Nyr, who banned me after writing a snarky reply.
I always liked Nergal before be became an imm... and he's a far cry from Nyr to me. But banning people until they delete their accounts here just doesn't seem very helpful.
Really, there are lots of unhelpful discussions that have happened on this board, and I'm definitely not exempt from that. Without a doubt, though, it has been a boon as a place where the game can be discussed/criticized without fear of moderation/censorship. Sometimes it goes a little too far, but it's unhealthy for any community to squash dissenting opinions/criticism.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 17:46:32 GMT -5
If some staff members had maybe not been so heavy handed with their censorship of the gdb or had they not been borderline abusive in some instances to players in one-on-one correspondence, it's likely that many people who post here never would have started posting here in the first place.
Levying punishments against those discovered to be posting here just does not seem to be the right way to move forward. Yes, people vent here, and sometimes it's not pretty to read. To me, there is a very real need for a place where the game can be discussed unfettered. Being able to discuss the game, its policies, and how rules work without fearing censorship seems vital to a healthy community, to ANY healthy community - even if those discussions bring to light ugliness or negative aspects of the game that people would rather just not think about or deal with...
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Post by jcarter on Feb 15, 2017 20:17:38 GMT -5
imagine being so mad at a text game from the 90's that you no longer play that you criticize people who don't write off the enjoyment of strangers who are still involved as being acceptable collateral damage in your unhealthy obsession for e-vengeance whilst being baffled that you're not universally accepted as a heroic freedom fighter of your chosen hobby the narrative that this website is angry players hell-bent on wreaking havoc on staff and the game is dumb fiction dreamt up by nergal et al. to make them feel like being an overbearing nerd on a meaningless video game is justified. nobody actually cares about staff or harassing staff. when the wiki got posted and a decade old list of staff first names and numbers was posted, members of the board corrected it and the leaker redacted it, people sat on it and moved on with their lives. if we were genuinely interested in harassing or pestering staff irl, that information could have been thrown up on a pastebin or even on a wiki. personal information, including that off players and staff members, gets censored and deleted from here although i don't think anyone has ever posted staff info here. because, again, no one gives a shit. no one here is on a crusade for e-vengeance. look at the threads of this board -- random info about skills, people being nostalgic about the good old days, and that's about it. do you see any threads or efforts to harass staff? any threads for wreaking e-vengeance on the middle aged IT workers that spend their nights trying to punish people for posting on the internet? no. because no one gives a shit, and no one is actually "mad". shocking, i know, that people could post about things on the internet without being in an aggravated emotional state, but that is the truth. |
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Post by dunebum on Feb 15, 2017 20:49:52 GMT -5
It's easy to spin a narrative if you have complete control over what people say and ban those who disagree with you.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Feb 15, 2017 21:19:56 GMT -5
So, entirely new member, you're of the opinion we should censor ourselves because one of the 8 people still playing Arm might get hurt for it. That certainly doesn't reek of manipulation. New screen name, but posted for some time under Tektolnes as was hinted at in my initial post. And no, I'm not recommending anyone censor themselves. Say whatever you want. I'm pointing out that if Amos Boots were to follow through on his theat to unleash his 1337 4chan hacker army, he'd hurt maybe a dozen staffers who would in turn punish a hundred or so active players who still enjoy the game. Oh, my bad. I'm pretty sure he was joking. imagine being so mad at a text game from the 90's that you no longer play that you criticize people who don't write off the enjoyment of strangers who are still involved as being acceptable collateral damage in your unhealthy obsession for e-vengeance whilst being baffled that you're not universally accepted as a heroic freedom fighter of your chosen hobby You still sound like a fucking idiot. It's amazing that with so much time between your worthless posts there is never any improvement in what you pass off as insights. Someone sends:
"In the Game of Bans, you either Ban or Die."
Someone slaps you in the face with their e-peen.
Disconnecting...So, entirely new member, you're of the opinion we should censor ourselves because one of the 8 people still playing Arm might get hurt for it. That certainly doesn't reek of manipulation. Is this real? If so when did this happen? No, it was a joke. |
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