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Post by lurklord on Nov 4, 2016 14:52:37 GMT -5
We're probably back to arguing semantics but being punished implies having something players are entitled to taken away or restricted - not being allowed to join x clan as an example. I know everyone (including me) wishes there was more staff run plots, but since they've never ever claimed it was a responsibility of theirs to create them, it's hard to see a prematurely canceled story as punishment rather than staff no longer being willing to continue doing a nice thing as unpaid volunteers™.
@haunter Other people breaking rules doesn't make it okay for you to. Maybe the players mentioned by Nergal should take a page out of their books and get better at not being caught.. or just not do it to begin with if they're not subtle enough. Instead of acting all indignant when they get in trouble for rule breaking.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 15:05:32 GMT -5
I know everyone (including me) wishes there was more staff run plots Somebody is going to disagree with this, calling it. @haunter Other people breaking rules doesn't make it okay for you to. That's me right? I really don't think I'm encouraging rule breaking or breaking rules myself (at least the ones pertinent to this thread). What? *confused* I've never been banned from the GDB, been hit hard on the wrist, etc. What? Instead of acting all indignant when they get in trouble for rule breaking. Have they? I don't keep on the GDB or even here to a great degree, so if the players in question have stepped forward and have offered a response I'm unaware of it. |
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Post by punished ppurg on Nov 4, 2016 15:53:35 GMT -5
I was in the discord at the time and it wasn't Ruke who spread the news. It was a random Kuraci and then some time later the actual majicker who killed Ruke who appeared and confirmed what happened. I wish Nergal would show up in the discord one day and judge for himself instead of blindly buying the sludge going in his ears. I would treat him better than he's treated me.
Consider this an open invitation, Baegal. I know you're reading this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 16:22:26 GMT -5
Oh yeah, that's right lurklord ... it's hard to know the perspective of those players because they can't respond to it there even when the staff nergal? broached the subject publically. They could be rightfully indignant as fuck and nobody would know. And they're discouraged to here because they'll get punished further for doing the same as Nergal. That just doesn't seem okay to me! In other contexts, that type of controlling, hypocritical behavior would be quickly concluded as abusive or similar. I should know (edit: as would anyone who was disallowed from leaving a flocK). If the reasoning is so sound or understood, it should stand. These are the tactics of a bully or one otherwise insecure. I don't trust sources that refuse response in the same form as the argument. If it was allowed, it'd add a lot of authenticity to the claim before even considering anything that follows. And since the plotline is being dropped? IC concerns sound hollow as a justification. In my opinion, Nergal's offense is greater than the players. This is true even if everything said about their deserved punishment transgressions is true. |
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Post by BitterFlashback on Nov 4, 2016 22:54:34 GMT -5
We're probably back to arguing semantics but being punished implies having something players are entitled to taken away or restricted - not being allowed to join x clan as an example. I know everyone (including me) wishes there was more staff run plots, but since they've never ever claimed it was a responsibility of theirs to create them, it's hard to see a prematurely canceled story as punishment rather than staff no longer being willing to continue doing a nice thing as unpaid volunteers™. This is some amazingly lazy contrarianism. Hey, considering that you referred to what happened as a punishment, how is it you expect to be taken seriously when you turn around and say it wasn't a punishment? Try not to hurt yourself with your next inept defense of the staff. Keep in mind they shut down a plot because they suspected 2 people of collusion based solely on the fact they both made requests with the Request Tool for more NPCs after encountering resistance together IC. Also keep in mind nobody gives a shit if you refuse to acknowledge the obvious, beyond making fun of how poorly you deny it. I was in the discord at the time and it wasn't Ruke who spread the news. It was a random Kuraci and then some time later the actual majicker who killed Ruke who appeared and confirmed what happened. Oh yeah! Shit, THAT was what Nergal's on about? |
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Post by lurklord on Nov 5, 2016 3:28:44 GMT -5
This is either bait to get me to reveal how much I know about what happened or you not knowing as much as you think you do if you're assuming I meant the story being prematurely ended was the punishment. Either way, since no one apparently gives a shit about hearing my opinion on a public forum, since it being different to yours makes it a refusal to 'acknowledge the the obvious', I'm going to go ahead and bow out.
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Post by jcarter on Nov 5, 2016 14:17:45 GMT -5
This is either bait to get me to reveal how much I know about what happened or you not knowing as much as you think you do if you're assuming I meant the story being prematurely ended was the punishment. Either way, since no one apparently gives a shit about hearing my opinion on a public forum, since it being different to yours makes it a refusal to 'acknowledge the the obvious', I'm going to go ahead and bow out. no one told you to shut up or stop posting or ignored you, so i'm not sure why you're complaining about no one caring about your opinion. people disagreed with it, which they're entitled to do. i also disagree with it. shutting down new content ahead of schedule, as nergal openly stated, because of a couple players is punishing the content-starved pbase. "player entitlement" has nothing to do with it. at the end of the day, staff said fuck it we're removing this new area and denying everyone access to it...because two people sent in similarly worded requests. it has nothing to do with staff being obliged to run plots at all. the content was built and put in place already, and there was likely player activity around the area as well that staff wasn't involved in. |
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Post by Jeshin on Nov 5, 2016 14:48:26 GMT -5
I don't even care about punishment content as I'm not part of the playerbase for the game anymore (haven't been for years). My point is solely in the false claim that metagaming "ruins" plots in the sense that they must be shutdown or ended for any real reason.
Real Conversation
Me: *copy paste my post from this thread*
Friend: I have information as a former staffer that could spoil a plotline or two. It could even spoil plots I'm unaware are being run.
Me: Okay give me an example of something you can spoil which cannot be changed so that the players you spoiled it for would no longer have the advantage of the metagame.
Friend: I know the ultimate origin of a core component of the gameworld (lore explanation and reason behind templars in Nak and who is running the joint now)
Me: Changeable. There is like... almost nothing (very very very nearly nothing) that you can reveal oocly to a player that cannot be changed by the staff/storytellers so that the metagame knowledge becomes useless/wrong.
Friend: But this is the basis of animations and actions of NPCs VNPCs and some character actions.
Me: If there is not widespread knowledge of the "truth" among PCs than changing it to something else which also accounts for the past actions/plots involved is 100% doable. Literally no one but the staff would know the difference.
Things which cannot be changed are like.... Rape doesn't occur in Zalanthas... Well you need it to have occured unless you retcon the normal source of half-breeds and blah blah blah. But even that can be changed if you go in and re-write enough and say this point forward this is the new history and new approach. It won't be popular, but it's totally doable and that's something everyone knows versus something no one knows or no one knows is 100% factual.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Nov 5, 2016 15:17:25 GMT -5
If you don't want to get into trouble then maybe you shouldn't break the rules. Or do anyway, just don't be surprised when you get caught and punished for it.We're probably back to arguing semantics but being punished implies having something players are entitled to taken away or restricted - not being allowed to join x clan as an example. I know everyone (including me) wishes there was more staff run plots, but since they've never ever claimed it was a responsibility of theirs to create them, it's hard to see a prematurely canceled story as punishment rather than staff no longer being willing to continue doing a nice thing as unpaid volunteers™. This is either bait to get me to reveal how much I know about what happened or you not knowing as much as you think you do if you're assuming I meant the story being prematurely ended was the punishment.So after all of these contrarian fails, did you finally branch backpedal? Because you sound like a fucking idiot. We're sitting here discussing Nergal's explanation for the premature ending of a plot that the staffer said was over X and Y. You smugly call it a punishment and say the players deserved it, then you say it's not a punishment in your very next post, and then when I point out how incompetent and lazy you are, you deflect into some insane claim I'm baiting you for information by pointing out how openly full of shit you are. At what point is it you believe I need you to make a full confession that you're doing damage control badly in order to be sure of it? Because anyone reading your transparent posts who hasn't figured that out for themselves is too stoned to use the reply feature. |
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