punished ppurg
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Post by punished ppurg on Apr 9, 2016 16:05:27 GMT -5
He's angry because other posters are able to challenge the Mindless staff Mantra he's repeating without getting censored or banned. If you want to get karma, buddy, you should go post on the other board with that drivel.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Apr 9, 2016 16:15:28 GMT -5
I think he's angry because he thought he could hide behind pretending to be diplomatic while talking down to us.
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Post by grumble on Apr 9, 2016 18:26:26 GMT -5
There are many posts I disagree with here, but I will not be addressing them in this post because I'm lazy, and instead will return to the original subject matter.
Newtwink, I have a newfound respect for you, I didn't get to know one-eye well but I talked to him a few times. I was Soupy, the elf that stole your problem mul, we'll get back to that later. One-eye did have a definite presence to him, even if it was the presence of an ambivalent soul who might stab me the moment it looked most profitable, and indeed, they could have, and even mused on it, and it would have been semi-legit if they had, but obviously, they did a quick calculation of risk vs. reward and saw more reward in letting my crazy stormer elf assassin live. Kudos, because, it likely would not have been well received if you'd killed him, although, there is the chance you could have gotten away with threatening and robbing him. I did not once feel like one-eye was the type to resort to code, provided I continued to give the impression that I would stick around and RP out the scene.
Lord Valorisk Borsail was a right scary bastard. My previous merchant, Urissa Salarr was so terrified about running into him or his servants that she stayed in the compound most times. This is both good and bad. Good in that he's playing a proper grim-dark bastard. Bad in the sense that my PC was not the only one who felt Allanak unplayable with his presence, which is partly why the streets felt empty at times. I think the player deserves kudos, for playing someone who could generate and sustain conflict without immediately pushing the murder button, but draw it out in an extended episode of pants-shitting terror. I also think it would be a really difficul role to play and I suspect, Newtwink, that your suspicion that he was trying to be murdered is correct.
Further, the manner in which, and the reasons for his murder, all seem completely legit to me. I do hope it generated some RP but from what I read it just lead to LOL BALTHAZAR'D, which is kind of lame. I've seen interesting RP from Balthazar but from the outside he just looks like a thug, I could be wrong in my perception of him. I enjoyed the brief moments I got to talk to one-eye and the plots it generated, even if they weren't meant to last. Your not sticking around to emote and just straight up twink killing him is also justified, as the torch came out almost immediately afterwards. It's possible you could have chosen to grease the servants to for having seen your face, but your PC was a professional and quick at their job. I see absolutely nothing wrong with how you handled that, knowing what I know.
What I find mildly distasteful, is that you generated these potential revenge plots and stored. Thing is, these revenge plots will likely be a thing for a while, and they will have no closure. Just because I find it distasteful doesn't make it a bad thing, mind you. What I find a little more distasteful is you calling out the mul like that. I don't think you really understood the mul's mindset and place a lot of preconceived notions on the head of the mul, making assummptions. After your character and the mul met mine, the mul and my character talked a good deal, and the mul found his way into the sewers and out somehow, then wayed my character asking for help because he was lost and didn't know where he was.
So, I made my way to the chasm, and the mul climbed out, and we were all set to go, but I accidently typed "east", rip. I understand Soupy's friends suspected the mul of murder, and true or not, it generated some plots. I know other things about the mul from other people that interacted him. I think it's unfair to single that player out that way, twinkish behavior and unfitting the setting though it may have been. I fully intended to hand-hold this mul and teach him how to be better, but that ended wit a tumble into a stupidly deep chasm, due to similarly stupid player actions on my part. Even though I quit playing at that point, I was still saddened. That plot would have worked if I hadn't dumbly fallen into ye old hole of fuck you. I even had climb branched, and climbing boots.
I personally decided to quit the game because I take issue with how skill gains are handled and how fucktardedly long it takes to develop even a moderate level of competence. This is why most of my characters have manipulative whore bitch in their background because it gives me something to fall back on for income without having to go out and risk my PC and all their relationships on reel-lock Drov beetle number 1337. I realize Armageddon isn't supposed to be balanced, but dying to a beetle generates zero plots and just misery. Getting your evil noble-ass knifed in a dark alley by a guild assassin, however, actually does generate interest, or at least, it should.
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Post by grumble on Apr 9, 2016 18:37:39 GMT -5
Also, I wanted to add, the reason I take no issue with what looked like obvious twinkery on your part to the outside observer, newtwink, was completely justified, and supply a reason. I have little doubt you could have added more RP to the situation with Valorisk, but if you had, you'd have to trust the servant who was with him, and I think it wise you did not, given the way the torch came out, it signifies a clear intent, and there is little doubt in my mind, given how some Arm players are, that their next command would have been look figure, spam-run away, and find the nearest Templar. You were a guild professional, it's your job not to get caught. I won't be revealing much of what I know of Valorisk for fear of outing other players, but, kudos to you and valorisk.
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Post by jkarr on Apr 9, 2016 18:44:23 GMT -5
I think it wise you did not, given the way the torch came out, it signifies a clear intent, and there is little doubt in my mind, given how some Arm players are, that their next command would have been look figure, spam-run away, and find the nearest Templar. lmao that is exactly what i thought when i read her pulling out the torch, good on u OT
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Post by grumble on Apr 9, 2016 18:49:18 GMT -5
Yeah, fuck that stupid bitch. She probably would have some mary sued her way around your hood and facewrap.
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Post by king on Apr 9, 2016 19:16:38 GMT -5
Or she was pulling it out because they got caught in a sandstorm? The fact that she had to pull one out indicates nobody was holding one in the first place. It was probably one of those dusk to night sandstorms without any warning.
but nah, obviously the game and playerbase suck so hard that valorisk's player wanted to suicide his character, and the other player is a shitty abuser of code. if you pull out a torch in the dark, you're just doing it to be a shithead. there couldn't be any other reason. it's not like people were getting stabbed to death right beside you. and shit, the player couldn't have just lost track of time when he was walking home.
It'd probably be better if you guys just asked him if he intended to get Valorisk killed at this point.
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Post by grumble on Apr 9, 2016 19:28:27 GMT -5
They were slow with the code, one-eye practically insta-wasted valorisk as people tried to rescue in the dust. Need I mention that backstab has an absolutely huge delay timer. A realistic action would have been to flee blindly and pull out a torch later.
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Post by grumble on Apr 9, 2016 19:29:51 GMT -5
Don't try to pull the wool over my eyes, we ALL know what was going on there. She's lucky she didn't get wasted too, particularly with one hand on a torch.
EDIT: King, you're treading on thin ice... if you're not careful, Bitter will carefully disect your arguments and explain to you, in a not-so-nice way, why you're wrong.
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Post by jcarter on Apr 9, 2016 20:00:26 GMT -5
i think it's pretty sad that players look at a character with 33 days played that's mastered some skills and call it a twink.
like doesn't that signify how fucked up the skill system is? that to some people in the playerbase spending a month of your life and getting to master with a skill is only possible through twinking behavior and not acceptable?
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Post by king on Apr 9, 2016 20:41:07 GMT -5
The root cause is the ability to see skill levels. I don't think people were ever genuinely supposed to reach master in a skill, hence the terrible fucking skill-grind. Since there's no guesswork and people /want/ to be a master at everything, they do a soul-crushing grind to levels that were intended solely for the exceptionally long-lived characters.
Yes, it's impossible to master most skills without twinking. The game wasn't built with the intent of seeing people master shit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 20:58:48 GMT -5
i think it's pretty sad that players look at a character with 33 days played that's mastered some skills and call it a twink. The prejudice is strong. I'm betting 99% of readers can't even read his forum handle without making a relationship with the word 'twink'
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 21:03:19 GMT -5
The root cause is the ability to see skill levels. I don't think people were ever genuinely supposed to reach master in a skill, hence the terrible fucking skill-grind. Since there's no guesswork and people /want/ to be a master at everything, they do a soul-crushing grind to levels that were intended solely for the exceptionally long-lived characters. Yes, it's impossible to master most skills without twinking. The game wasn't built with the intent of seeing people master shit. Uh... Polearm Pike Knife Razor Trident What other skills are hard to master with some patience?
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Post by grumble on Apr 9, 2016 21:07:24 GMT -5
It was bordering on twinkish how Valorisk was murdered, but, as I said before, many of use have instinctively learned that other players will use look code to fuck you over. When you do shit like that you have to take every precaution you can not to let it become an issue. Whether or not she would have done it isn't quite the issue, the issue is that there are plenty of players who WILL do it, so you start with that assumption and err on the side of caution.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 21:10:33 GMT -5
Okay, Advanced weapons are IMPOSSIBLE to raise!
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