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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2016 16:16:22 GMT -5
I find it really, really weird that they did that nyr thing with everyone's names. Are they trying to suggest they have a sense of humor and can even poke fun at themselves? But even that would be just weird and awkward. It'd be like an office manager with a reputation for being ornery and rude, jokingly pretending to be ornery and rude as part of a gag (failing to realize that no one would see the humor in it). I think it's definitely more meta than that. It's commentary on Nergal is Nyr, Nyrgal. And yeah whether they're laughing with or at, commentary requires acknowledgement - going back to what Jcarter said. |
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Post by punished ppurg on Apr 4, 2016 19:40:58 GMT -5
Look hemote completely ruins stealth characters!!! WHAAAAAAA!
You're right in that it ruins stealth characters - their omnipresent spacial warping all-sensing invisibility.
We had a twink elf pickpocket walk up into the noble stands one time. As soon as a Templar looked at him, he went down. It was too fast to be human input, and it must have been a trigger. Lo and be-fucking-hold, he just typed 'hide' again and snuck right back up, stealing things from everyone with his twinked and racially stacked steal skill. It was a disgrace.
Death to stealth classes. Until search is modified to rip them out of hiding (and can be used in conjunction with guarding an exit) then stealth classes have an undeniably reality-breaking bonus over classes without master scan.
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Post by grumble on Apr 4, 2016 19:59:46 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm sorta iffy on stealth characters. If people didn't play like idiots, stealthies wouldn't need a nerf, but they do, so.
On the flip side of the coin, Templars and other sponsored roles are often just as twink a douchebaggy as stealthies. If you've never been senselessly murdered by a clan-leader for that grim-dark street cred, you might not know, but it happens, and it usually feels pretty forced and fucked up.
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Post by punished ppurg on Apr 4, 2016 20:10:04 GMT -5
You can usually stay away from the terrible clan-leads. Can't stay away from snoopy stealthies. But this is off-topic, heh.
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Post by grumble on Apr 4, 2016 20:28:36 GMT -5
Usually, but not always, though you do make a good point.
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Post by grumble on Apr 4, 2016 22:36:18 GMT -5
They're trying to show that deep down, they know. The trouble is, them knowing is even more incriminating.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Apr 4, 2016 23:16:21 GMT -5
I'm blown away by you two insisting on nerfing stealth classes right after mages bit the dust. Maybe we should make PP, Burg, and As into 4 subguilds and limit the main guilds to merchant, warrior, and ranger.  |
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Post by punished ppurg on Apr 4, 2016 23:35:26 GMT -5
I'm blown away by you two insisting on nerfing stealth classes right after mages bit the dust. Maybe we should make PP, Burg, and As into 4 subguilds and limit the main guilds to merchant, warrior, and ranger. We're nerfing stealth classes by taking away their omniscient "am I hidden" check. Any further nerf to sneakies needs to be properly shilled and requested by at least two (2) 7-karma players on the GDB for at least 2 (two) years before it will be considered. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2016 23:57:29 GMT -5
I'd like a state of mind, or it can be called feowei meahuyo for all I care, where a player can make it very hard to be stealthed on. It'd have -insert serious con-, a limited duration with a possible cooldown, and/or something that continues to increase over time as long as it's activated (ie your stun will reach zero).
Basically, the 'my adrenaline is really high and I'm twitchy as Grumble's balls cuz someone just fucked with me' mode.
Edit: And limiting how much one could see in any direction while it's activated would be a way of making it work.
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Post by jesantu on Apr 5, 2016 9:18:28 GMT -5
I find it really, really weird that they did that nyr thing with everyone's names. Are they trying to suggest they have a sense of humor and can even poke fun at themselves? But even that would be just weird and awkward. It'd be like an office manager with a reputation for being ornery and rude, jokingly pretending to be ornery and rude as part of a gag (failing to realize that no one would see the humor in it). I think it's definitely more meta than that. It's commentary on Nergal is Nyr, Nyrgal. And yeah whether they're laughing with or at, commentary requires acknowledgement - going back to what Jcarter said. Ah I get it now. That's still pretty weird and creepy. Not to mention revealing. Time and again Arm imms refuse to show any embarrassment when acting like children. I'd have more respect for them if they genuinely ignored this board and made no allusions (directly or subtly) to its existence, complete denial. If they want to be leaders they should opt for a more mature approach. Right now they've just been acting like argumentative teenagers. |
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Post by snorpborp on Apr 5, 2016 9:36:00 GMT -5
as opposed to us? staff piss me off but if you put this board in charge of game it would be the same shit with different toppings |
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Post by jesantu on Apr 5, 2016 10:37:02 GMT -5
as opposed to us? staff piss me off but if you put this board in charge of game it would be the same shit with different toppings I'll agree to that, partially. I've long pointed as much blame on players as I have staff. Most players don't know what they even want and once they get it, like spoiled children, discard it three seconds later. The game has reached an elevated state of stagnation mainly due to this fact. Players pushed and pushed for apartments and they got it. They even push for apartments in cenyr of all pointless places! And now everyone who isn't busy in their clan compounds is off wasting time in their apartments, making taverns a thing of the distant past and the public areas of the cities unused and empty....even when the who list says 65 players online. There are plenty of petty and small minded posters here. And if handed the reins to run the mud would be no better than current admin. But what you'll find here that is completely lacking on the gdb is civility and intellect. The majority of posters here value storytelling and bemoan the current status of the game where nothing happens but dungeon crawls for spiders and ankhegs. Even with some nice code additions lately and opening gith etc nothing really happens. There are no compelling NPCs helping to weave a story into the game. You don't see templars like Sathis come strolling into the Gaj for a rare appearance. For all of his godawful cheating, halaster breathed life into the game and inspired others with his creative powers. And those are the types of posters who flock to this board but are (disappointingly) absent from the gdb community. So I see the major half of players as boring simpletons who just want to mudsex in their apartments and refuse to contribute to a story. And I admit a lot of posters here may very well be no different. But the creative ones who really get how things work, exist here (most of whom sadly no longer play) and are never to be found in gdb land. That's the primary difference. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 15:12:36 GMT -5
as opposed to us? staff piss me off but if you put this board in charge of game it would be the same shit with different toppings I'll agree to that, partially. I've long pointed as much blame on players as I have staff. Most players don't know what they even want and once they get it, like spoiled children, discard it three seconds later. The game has reached an elevated state of stagnation mainly due to this fact. Players pushed and pushed for apartments and they got it. They even push for apartments in cenyr of all pointless places! And now everyone who isn't busy in their clan compounds is off wasting time in their apartments, making taverns a thing of the distant past and the public areas of the cities unused and empty....even when the who list says 65 players online. There are plenty of petty and small minded posters here. And if handed the reins to run the mud would be no better than current admin. But what you'll find here that is completely lacking on the gdb is civility and intellect. The majority of posters here value storytelling and bemoan the current status of the game where nothing happens but dungeon crawls for spiders and ankhegs. Even with some nice code additions lately and opening gith etc nothing really happens. There are no compelling NPCs helping to weave a story into the game. You don't see templars like Sathis come strolling into the Gaj for a rare appearance. For all of his godawful cheating, halaster breathed life into the game and inspired others with his creative powers. And those are the types of posters who flock to this board but are (disappointingly) absent from the gdb community. So I see the major half of players as boring simpletons who just want to mudsex in their apartments and refuse to contribute to a story. And I admit a lot of posters here may very well be no different. But the creative ones who really get how things work, exist here (most of whom sadly no longer play) and are never to be found in gdb land. That's the primary difference. Maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but I actually like the majority of arm players. I just think they're poorly represented by the GDB, that staff see the GDB as being representative, and the fact that it's not representative is the fault of staff (largely past set precidents) to begin with. If staff read this... the criticisms of those not currently playing the game aren't in anyway invalidated by such; I vaguely recall someone mentioning a query being performed into some player's activity in relation to the merit of their input. These are people who want so desperately to love and play their, 'their' because their stories belong as much to them as anyone, game that they are willing to frequent mediums of change without being subject to a continually gratifying experience. This place is deemed a resounding chamber for negative thoughts. Why has it been my experience, then, that it is here where one is more likely to open a discourse - about anything - without receiving destructive negativity (vs say mere disagreement)? The set of things one may speak about without watching your thoughts being dragged through a screen of shit, and then piled on, is much smaller in comparison on the GDB. And even then... is a conditioned response isn't really more worthwhilen? |
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Post by grumble on Apr 5, 2016 15:18:05 GMT -5
Hey! I'm one of those mudsexing former players who refuse to contribute to /your/ story because you're faglord supreme in the Gaj and abuse your social status to end my fun little mudsex plots for grim-dark street cred. I have my own stories. I neither need nor want your stories, unless it meshes with my own in a cohesive, and thoroughly sticky manner.
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Post by OT on Apr 5, 2016 16:33:10 GMT -5
Jesantu, I maintain that players have become that way because of Arm staff's culture of limitation. One could blame the players in the sense that it's they who play the game, and if the game is boring, it's because the players are boring; but if the players have become boring because of years of staff systematically stamping out initiative and creativity, isn't it a little pointless to blame the players? They're not the reason the game has come to be boring, even if they are the ones who are now boring -- same as some guy shooting another guy in Chicago is part of what makes Chicago a violent city, but it's not the reason Chicago has become a violent city.
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