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Post by jcarter on Feb 21, 2016 18:29:23 GMT -5
If my families personal address and our personal info were given to a website which generally churns based off hate.. I'd be uncomfortable, it wouldn't be fair to leave my family or myself exposed to any further escalation for the sake of a FREE game, especially a FREE game that only me and a couple of others pay to keep available for the public. i have posted multiple times, including an announcement, that if there is personal info to contact me and it will be scrubbed out of there. nobody is getting doxxed. it's doubtful whether or not the original wiki page with information was even accessed considering barka yanked it within 20 minutes of posting the file. the rest i dont care about tbh. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 18:30:59 GMT -5
I doubt the forum will go down. And for those who didnt get to see the leaked wiki. You didnt miss much. Much of that info is obsolete. Moreso, much of that info is kept secret for the simple fact that it adds nothing to the game. And if some ongoing plot would suddenly require a certain 20 year old bit of info (known to nobody and probably put in without any kind of moderation, or oversight to begin with) to not ever happen, odds are that bit of info will be sacrificed for the sake of the plot that is happening "NOW".
The outrage isnt about people learning "secretes". Who cares. There are plenty of ex staff on this board that were willing to offer information that would help people and yet who loved the game enough not to reveal information that would hurt the game. I genuinely believed that my participation in a similar capacity was a way to improve the game. To improve the outlook on the game by the playerbase. To help even out the playing fields for newbies versus veterans. To give the board some fashion of cred, that would make the current staff read it and whether they like it, or not, take people's outcry and opinions into account, so they could improve their behavior and decisions regarding the game.
The outrage isn't even about the fact that you put someone in danger. A lot of that info was willingly put out on facebook, or whatever. That's not what's so bad about it. It's the intention. It's the inability to understand the wrongness of it. Now, instead of adding new features and improving the balance, or making the game more interesting, the staff needs to work out on how to beef up security, because apparently the game's own players cant control their own malice about something that's basically a hobby.
By the sheer amount of support of this action. By the sheer inability to even comprehend the wrongness of this action. By the sheer glee expressed here regarding an act that by all accounts is a direct hit on people who worked on this game. Not Imm accounts, not player accounts, not their characters. But their sheer general IRL personas. A direct hit on their interests, their passions, their love for the game. I can see that you dont really deserve any of it.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Feb 21, 2016 18:31:10 GMT -5
So many of you are caught up in this us vs them bullshit, the bad information, the trolling, and now someone has made it personal with an sql injection and a php hack, leaking a document that contained personal information of a select few members of the community. It's not the fact that you now know the history of Luir, or that there's some magickal spirit in cavern x from some plot in 1916, honestly, I don't think anybody gives a fuck about what was taken. The point is that it was taken, dealing with the drama created by these boards is bad enough. Character targeting, player targeting, and the general cult mindset a majority of the players here can't seem to get away from, I've listened while 4 people oocly coached a player on how to suicide in the most hilarious way possible via discord, targetting in particular one of the pc's that got attention on this board. Good for the game? Nope. The boards just grow more and more volatile and now it becomes apparent that it's rewarded by many to do something like this. If my families personal address and our personal info were given to a website which generally churns based off hate.. I'd be uncomfortable, it wouldn't be fair to leave my family or myself exposed to any further escalation for the sake of a FREE game, especially a FREE game that only me and a couple of others pay to keep available for the public. I'm not sure what some of you think this might result in, stepping away in defeat and leaving Armageddon locked up with the key under the doormat if you ever decide to take over? Nope. The game will just go away. Poof. Vanished. Fucking gone. It'll just stop existing, guess it's time to decide how you feel about that. Barka's the one that did it. Take your bitching to him, ffs. This wasn't some huge conspiracy with all of us here at jcarter.org wringing our hands and laughing menacingly as we discuss what might grow from this newly planted seed. Why are people having such a hard time understanding this? |
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Post by jcarter on Feb 21, 2016 18:33:55 GMT -5
The outrage isn't even about the fact that you put someone in danger. please tell me who I put in danger and how. i'm all ears. |
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Post by punished ppurg on Feb 21, 2016 18:38:51 GMT -5
There's really no illusion of privacy for anything posted online. If someone on staff was making people post their home addresses... isn't that problematic in itself? Taking that thought further, if those staff members posted their personal information unsolicited, then they had no expectation of privacy. The "staff contract" is not a legally binding document. It's the same as posting information to a private chatroom.
It's unethical to distribute that information given in confidence, but it's also a risk those people took when they put the information out that it would come to be known by persons they didn't intend. In that light, it's not something I'm flipping out about. I've provided as much personal information as necessary, exactly like the staff members, and I do not feel threatened; nor do I feel that my family is threatened. If they provided information beyond that, and now feel threatened (seriously?), they should not have provided it. That's my logical thought here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 18:47:17 GMT -5
There's really no illusion of privacy for anything posted online. If someone on staff was making people post their home addresses... isn't that problematic in itself? Taking that thought further, if those staff members posted their personal information unsolicited, then they had no expectation of privacy. The "staff contract" is not a legally binding document. It's the same as posting information to a private chatroom. It's unethical to distribute that information given in confidence, but it's also a risk those people took when they put the information out that it would come to be known by persons they didn't intend. In that light, it's not something I'm flipping out about. I've provided as much personal information as necessary, exactly like the staff members, and I do not feel threatened; nor do I feel that my family is threatened. If they provided information beyond that, and now feel threatened (seriously?), they should not have provided it. That's my logical thought here. You're right purg, totally right. Information behind two passwords on a rinky dink MUD game, they should have expected to be the target for cybercrime and proceeded as though every bit of information was going to be captured. They should have total trust that these jaded players who continue to push the envelope on how much they're willing to fuck with the game isn't going to push the enveloped and do something bad with their name/address/phone number. |
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Feb 21, 2016 18:50:44 GMT -5
There's really no illusion of privacy for anything posted online. If someone on staff was making people post their home addresses... isn't that problematic in itself? Taking that thought further, if those staff members posted their personal information unsolicited, then they had no expectation of privacy. The "staff contract" is not a legally binding document. It's the same as posting information to a private chatroom. It's unethical to distribute that information given in confidence, but it's also a risk those people took when they put the information out that it would come to be known by persons they didn't intend. In that light, it's not something I'm flipping out about. I've provided as much personal information as necessary, exactly like the staff members, and I do not feel threatened; nor do I feel that my family is threatened. If they provided information beyond that, and now feel threatened (seriously?), they should not have provided it. That's my logical thought here. You're right purg, totally right. Information behind two passwords on a rinky dink MUD game, they should have expected to be the target for cybercrime and proceeded as though every bit of information was going to be captured. They should have total trust that these jaded players who continue to push the envelope on how much they're willing to fuck with the game isn't going to push the enveloped and do something bad with their name/address/phone number. whelp, what do you want us to do about it? your right. someone getting their mitts on personal information you have locked away is balls. k we get it case closed the doxxing was accidental and deleted as soon as it was found-- stop acting like this was some deliberate attack barka just wanted us to have a giggle at the silly and outdated shit in the imm wiki |
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Post by dcdc on Feb 21, 2016 18:52:59 GMT -5
We degraded into complete us vs them mentality.... so uh... yea.
I'm done.
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Post by punished ppurg on Feb 21, 2016 18:56:04 GMT -5
There's really no illusion of privacy for anything posted online. If someone on staff was making people post their home addresses... isn't that problematic in itself? Taking that thought further, if those staff members posted their personal information unsolicited, then they had no expectation of privacy. The "staff contract" is not a legally binding document. It's the same as posting information to a private chatroom. It's unethical to distribute that information given in confidence, but it's also a risk those people took when they put the information out that it would come to be known by persons they didn't intend. In that light, it's not something I'm flipping out about. I've provided as much personal information as necessary, exactly like the staff members, and I do not feel threatened; nor do I feel that my family is threatened. If they provided information beyond that, and now feel threatened (seriously?), they should not have provided it. That's my logical thought here. You're right purg, totally right. Information behind two passwords on a rinky dink MUD game, they should have expected to be the target for cybercrime and proceeded as though every bit of information was going to be captured. They should have total trust that these jaded players who continue to push the envelope on how much they're willing to fuck with the game isn't going to push the enveloped and do something bad with their name/address/phone number. Aside from the hyperbole you're spinning, I'll come out and say that I will fully endorse any criminal prosecution that comes from this information being used in a criminal fashion. As of right now, there has been and is not expected to be any criminal actions used with this information by myself and others. If you expect the shadowboard community to drive to Bhagvara(sp?)'s house and Murder Corrupt Betray them, or elsewise any others who had their information put out, then you're overselling this strawman of angst that this community has been made into. |
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Post by jcarter on Feb 21, 2016 18:59:49 GMT -5
We degraded into complete us vs them mentality.... so uh... yea. I'm done. we have? because i've been posting about how people could contact me to rectify the situation and have offending documents removed. yet no one has taken me up on this offer, nor pointed me towards these dastardly files that are allegedly doxxing and putting the players and staff of Armageddon mud in "danger". |
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 21, 2016 19:00:21 GMT -5
I would actually love to know why Nergal (Arm Staffer) is coming after me specifically on TMC. As far as participation in this community goes, I've always been on the moderate end.
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Post by Patuk on Feb 21, 2016 19:03:44 GMT -5
Because everyone hates the heretic more than the infidel.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Feb 21, 2016 19:03:59 GMT -5
I would actually love to know why Nergal (Arm Staffer) is coming after me specifically on TMC. As far as participation in this community goes, I've always been on the moderate end. I've been trying to figure that one out all day.... Can only guess he needs someone to shit on to feel better, 'cause he can't lash out at Barka and the majority of us on here are anonymous/unimportant. |
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 21, 2016 19:06:45 GMT -5
I don't think I rank as important compared to members of this community. Some of you guys have a far more distinguished MUDing history than I do.
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Post by dcdc on Feb 21, 2016 19:12:37 GMT -5
We degraded into complete us vs them mentality.... so uh... yea. I'm done. we have? because i've been posting about how people could contact me to rectify the situation and have offending documents removed. yet no one has taken me up on this offer, nor pointed me towards these dastardly files that are allegedly doxxing and putting the players and staff of Armageddon mud in "danger". More or less GDB group think started saying "them" in reference to Barka (First step, attribute actions of an individual to the group) then I got mad for example about that, starting say 'them' when really it was a select manner of posters... Bah I dunno, don't like that shit, but it help me realize that there is no acceptance for me in the Armageddon community, shadow boards or no because I'll always be an 'outsider'. And the community it self (the core players/gdb persona's) are perhaps unknowingly Xenophobic, reactionary, and insular. I'm outside the group think, my friends are outside the group think. |
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