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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Feb 23, 2016 0:12:11 GMT -5
actually talk to each other and figure out how the RPI community AS A WHOLE can collaborate and work together to keep from bleeding players. You kidding me? There's been an open invitation for any Arm staffer to come talk to us cleanly and candidly for a long while now, but nothing's ever come of it. Either because they don't know how to handle someone they can't make shut up (this much has been demonstrated) or because they're afraid a bunch of trolls will hurt their feelings or something. Any attempt to bring a discussion to the GDB will only lead to a locked thread or worse. I really don't think they'll want come forward for any sort of collaboration after passing so many opportunities, especially now that we're a bunch of scumfuck terrorists. |
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Post by BitterFlashback on Feb 23, 2016 0:30:09 GMT -5
There's been an open invitation for any Arm staffer to come talk to us cleanly and candidly for a long while now, but nothing's ever come of it. Either because they don't know how to handle someone they can't make shut up (this much has been demonstrated) or because they're afraid a bunch of trolls will hurt their feelings or something. Well now that their blood-type and fingerprints were released in the Wiki and are all over the internet, they may as well come here. Anyone planning to wear a staffer as a suit no longer needs jcarter to track their IP to their home address like they do on NCIS. What's the risk? I mean I can literally cannibalize them so what's the point in figuratively doing it? |
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Post by jesantu on Feb 23, 2016 0:34:58 GMT -5
Well interestingly after all this time not even the most diehard gdber has bothered to try and defend or explain away imm dickheadedness. From embarrassing emails threatening players wives for no good reason (is there ever a good reason) to belittling veteran players who "get it" and understand what such notions as politics means, swearing at players when they disagree with us and making very clear and blatant efforts to discourage players they dislike (or whose creativity they're jealous of) from playing the game. All of this is inexcusable and that's why not even the staunchest malken is here or on the gdb defending it.
And maybe just maybe none of these grievances over the past few days would even be on the table for discussion if arm staff made an honest effort to be civil towards their players. If you don't get how telling it is that an ever growing "shadow community" (or call it what you will) has formed and if you think every last poster here is simply a rebel without a cause then you should join the likes of creationist ken ham. I'm sure he'd be happy to have your support. How can you not be embarrassed by this entire board and its rising community? Though I guess you are now that you're back to banning each and every participant just because.
What I'd truly like to know is if any of the more dickheaded imms have ever in their time in arm stopped and said "hey guys wait, is it possible that its us?"
If it quacks like a duck....
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 23, 2016 0:36:03 GMT -5
gdb.armageddon.org/index.php/topic,50671.msg929699.html GDBers discussing it, page 3 is where they find out bans have been given to people who are not Barka or Jcarter. EDIT - Also as I stated in the shoutbox and I've said before on here and Optional Realities. (Delerak's question was why did Barka remove the codebase in addition to the Wiki. I stated it was likely due to the accidental leak. Someone made a joke about it being 'accidental' to leak something. I clarified I meant the seemingly accidental leak of personal information. --- So I don't get quoted out of context.
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Post by jonsmith on Feb 23, 2016 0:37:03 GMT -5
I want to weigh again to say that this is not true, and does not need to become true. This is a relatively low impact event compared to some more damning scandals of the past in the RPI community. SOI was once more popular than ARM is currently. It benefited from 100+ unique players logged in at peak times. Now, it is more or less dead, and this is due (in large) to two major exoduses that were the result of staff whistle-blowing. ARM can absolutely survive this. This Shadowboard can absolutely survive this. The answer is in everyone taking a few seconds to break from blaming each other to ... actually talk to each other and figure out how the RPI community AS A WHOLE can collaborate and work together to keep from bleeding players.Seriously. Stop with this Us vs Them bullshit. Make social justice and collaboration happen with your effort. It's the only way. Accept that we're in this together, and then start a dialogue across communities, across forums, across games -- anywhere and everywhere that it takes to get players to realize that we're wising up and deciding that we're not going to self-destruct anymore. While I might believe the ARM staff has more of an impact on that than the average poster on this forum, it goes both ways, and everyone here can take the necessary steps to encourage a more positive outcome. So, please, do it. Coming from a person who plays no current RPIs because they've all self-destructed ... someone, please, give me a reason to play again by proving this community is capable of more than shooting itself in the foot. Or don't. But I'll keep preaching until I really believe that it's too late to do better. I heard Kite was a cunt, and he was fucking Rhubarb. When Rhubarb and him broke up, Kite became even more of a cunt and just shut down the game in some protest. Is that the correct version? |
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 23, 2016 0:39:01 GMT -5
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Post by jesantu on Feb 23, 2016 0:49:01 GMT -5
I want to see even one lone gdber defend the decision to ban RRR. I know he doesn't play and it hardly matters but I still wanna see what defending the decision to ban him looks like.
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 23, 2016 0:57:47 GMT -5
Their reasoning is that RRR knew the risks of publicly associating with this forum and that if he wants to be part of the game he can come back after the dust has settled. Wait, I have a video for this... Anyway realistically the staff can enforce their rules how they want if they believe that this board is doing harm to their game, they have every right to ban people associated to it and should. I disagree with them, but hey we willingly outed who we were so it's not like we didn't know this was possible. www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J9a14nx7I8TLDR - Minions attack! Kill everyone! God will recognize his own. |
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Post by BitterFlashback on Feb 23, 2016 1:05:43 GMT -5
Malken's being surprisingly open-minded about it, but after him... eh...
Yeah, staff have done everything they could, like acknowledging past abuse, reversing unfair decisions to strip players of karma, ... whoops, they didn't do any of that. Well, if anyone deserved to be banned for politely offering criticism of the game, it was RRR and Jeshin, because.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You forgot to refer to this board as being the "echo chamber" while you were demonstrating how little gag reflex you have.
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 23, 2016 1:09:23 GMT -5
To the GDBers credits. The people who brought up RRR and I being banned. I literally have no idea who they are. It says something that some of them looked into the incident and tried to get some information and ask questions. Especially when it's not friends/IM buddies of the people affected.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Feb 23, 2016 1:16:25 GMT -5
Like I said in the SB, it's strange. I feel like I'm simultaneously gaining and losing respect for that cesspool. There are people emerging from the shit I didn't expect to see, but at the same time the filth around them is getting thicker. I'm having difficulty restraining my contempt.
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 23, 2016 1:23:11 GMT -5
Lets look at it as someone who only saw the staff open letter and the discussions on the GDB and didn't feel like reading the multiple threads associated with this incident.
1. Information was obtained (possibly hacked, I'm pretty sure Barka said php injection) and then posted
2. For a time or the entire time the personal information of staff was accessible
3. The Shadowboard is full of people sharing coded secrets, old IC plots, and breaking several of the OOC/IC rules
4. Some of those shadowboard users were banned, but only the ones who were public about their involvement
Assuming you're having fun on the game and assuming it's not hurting you at all. Why would you find the staff actions to be unreasonable. Afterall I have posted request tool dumps, I have posted entire character masterlogs, I have discussed coded aspects of the game, I have done all of this with the full knowledge it violated some form of the Armageddon rules which I didn't believe in. I even noted on multiple occasions that I remained unbanned because it showed the staff were not targeting me at the time. The only reason a player/GDBer would have to be concerned is if they read further information off the ARM website and found out who RRR and I are. If they haven't done that they really have no reason to be concerned over people who were not involved in posting or hosting the codebase or wiki being punished.
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 23, 2016 1:35:42 GMT -5
Also brief PS - I deserve like a cookie or something for not exploiting this whole mess as a way to drive traffic to Optional Realities. Just saying I could have routed those TMC posts to OR and then used OR to link back to all these threads as a way to get people looking at the site and possibly making an account. Like... The only reason I even posted on TMC to the wider MUD community was because Nergal came after me.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Feb 23, 2016 1:40:26 GMT -5
Assuming you're having fun on the game and assuming it's not hurting you at all. Why would you find the staff actions to be unreasonable. Why question anything instead of immediately making up facts for your side? After all, GDBia has always been at war with East Carter Eurcartera. |
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 23, 2016 1:45:59 GMT -5
It's a valid response. Some people just want to play internet games, they don't want to think about staffing ethics, longterm player retention, they see that thread and they see people concerned over it and go... Why? Just play the game? I'm on the game having a good time, you could be on the game having a good time too? This incident hasn't affected you, so why stress? --- Versus people (which is also valid) who go... Why did this happen? What is the other sides reason? Why did the staff choose to make a public letter? Why are people who are not Jcarter or Barka being targeted? Why wasn't there an announcement when these bans were made? The staff said they'd be considering their options, why not share which one they'd chosen? --- It's just the separation from someone who is interested in the community and someone who is interested solely in the game. Maybe. I'm not a sociologist.
I legitimately deserve a ban for posting request tool dumps alone. The only problem with them banning me is that they appeared to have waited for a completely unconnected incident done by someone else. If Nergal wanted to pop onto TMC and go, Jeshin violated this rule and this rule and this rule. I'd publicly say, yeah I did, while I wasn't a player and had quit the game anyway. That being said as a dude who wants text-based games to survive another 10-20 years, Armageddon is kind of important to me in the fact they can turn it around and make it something special again.
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