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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 12:23:03 GMT -5
The victim blaming is STRONG. "Oh you're not getting death threats? Doesn't seem like a big deal." With a helping of "Staff shouldn't have kept that info in the first place." And a dash of "It wasn't even that bad, the information is old and outdated."
None of those things matter and are simply ways to deflect blame.
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Post by jcarter on Feb 22, 2016 12:24:43 GMT -5
The victim blaming is STRONG. "Oh you're not getting death threats? Doesn't seem like a big deal." With a helping of "Staff shouldn't have kept that info in the first place." And a dash of "It wasn't even that bad, the information is old and outdated." None of those things matter and are simply ways to deflect blame. you don't actually know what victim blaming is, do you? |
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Post by punished ppurg on Feb 22, 2016 12:25:00 GMT -5
RGS, the community is making this out to be some sort of terrorism and that staff members are going to be personally attacked because of this. That claim is bogus.
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Post by oldarmer on Feb 22, 2016 12:27:20 GMT -5
In response to purgpurgpurg:
Do I feel personally threatened? Not currently - but I am a private person in general. I rarely participate in Social media (facebook, etc).
I have not received any threatening or hostile information. That said, based on perusing this forum and some of the underlying cynicism, vitriol, and lack of concern for ethical standards shown by some small segments of the population, if I was currently or having recently staffed and was the target of some of these threads, I would absolutely feel personally threatened by having my personal information shared with them.
In response to jcarter:
It is naive of me to assume that the information would stay safe forever. That said, it should have been on me to remove my personal information from the wiki before I retired. As you might expect, that stuff tends to happen slowly and it didn't occur to me (I could also blame laziness, but truly it didn't occur to me).
You raise a good point, since I can no longer edit it out myself, and I've now sent an email asking them to remove my information.
You however haven't responded to my requests.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 12:30:25 GMT -5
i'm out. reason: ppurg.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 12:30:36 GMT -5
RGS, the community is making this out to be some sort of terrorism and that staff members are going to be personally attacked because of this. That claim is bogus. Some of them are(actually I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, I haven't seen a single person make that claim). Dont' worry I give them shit when they get ridiculous too. Also, how is generalizing the "community" over there any different than when someone on the GDB says "they" when they act like you're all a hive mind of evil villains? Jcarter, telling someone they shouldn't have had their info on the cloud after they've been hacked is victim blaming. |
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Post by jcarter on Feb 22, 2016 12:41:48 GMT -5
In response to purgpurgpurg: Do I feel personally threatened? Not currently - but I am a private person in general. I rarely participate in Social media (facebook, etc). I have not received any threatening or hostile information. That said, based on perusing this forum and some of the underlying cynicism, vitriol, and lack of concern for ethical standards shown by some small segments of the population, if I was currently or having recently staffed and was the target of some of these threads, I would absolutely feel personally threatened by having my personal information shared with them. In response to jcarter: It is naive of me to assume that the information would stay safe forever. That said, it should have been on me to remove my personal information from the wiki before I retired. As you might expect, that stuff tends to happen slowly and it didn't occur to me (I could also blame laziness, but truly it didn't occur to me). You raise a good point, since I can no longer edit it out myself, and I've now sent an email asking them to remove my information. You however haven't responded to my requests. what requests? to scrub personal information such as e-mail addresses, phone numbers, and so forth from the files? i've announced multiple times that I am doing just that. Jcarter, telling someone they shouldn't have had their info on the cloud after they've been hacked is victim blaming. are you referring to the part where I literally said "i'm not making excuses for anyone" and asked for his opinion on staff mishandling and exposing his data to others before this event? im still not convinced you understand what victim blaming actually is and how the terminology is used but ok. |
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Post by oldarmer on Feb 22, 2016 12:58:20 GMT -5
what requests? to scrub personal information such as e-mail addresses, phone numbers, and so forth from the files? i've announced multiple times that I am doing just that. Thank you - this wasn't actually clear to me from your posts, as they all appeared predicated on current staff contacting you - such as: |
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Post by jcarter on Feb 22, 2016 13:00:42 GMT -5
i can see how that wasn't well phrased. yes, I am going through to make sure there is no personalized data available.
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Post by punished ppurg on Feb 22, 2016 13:52:02 GMT -5
i can see how that wasn't well phrased. yes, I am going through to make sure there is no personalized data available. Jcarter, let me know when Adhira contacts you. She's stated on the RAT that she knew there was more staff information in the leak than what was deleted already. She should reach out to you to ensure her team's information isn't exposed to vitriolic shadowboarders. |
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Post by jkarr on Feb 22, 2016 14:38:32 GMT -5
i can see how that wasn't well phrased. yes, I am going through to make sure there is no personalized data available. Jcarter, let me know when Adhira contacts you. She's stated on the RAT that she knew there was more staff information in the leak than what was deleted already. She should reach out to you to ensure her team's information isn't exposed to vitriolic shadowboarders. her, deign to step down and speak to such lowly rabble with a 'request'? listen guys personal info doxxes are one thing but mah prriiiddez trumps them all! its pretty telling where the priorities lie when such an apparently highminded grp of ppl let personal pride get in the way of helping guarantee that staff personal information is scrubbed |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 15:04:02 GMT -5
It doesn't even matter what was in these docs. Just the fact that somebody hacked (or stole or whatever) the fucking immortal wiki and leaked it gives them plenty of reason to return to the Third Reich methods that they'd started to relinquish. Well fucking done, barka and whoever applauded him and defended what he did.
You've set Arm back two years in terms of becoming a reasonable and well-managed game again. Anyone who has no problem with this is a genuine piece of shit, a truly disgusting person. I'm not even on "their" side, I haven't liked what the game had become, but it was starting to head in the right direction.
Why spit in their faces and give them incentive to go back to treating players like prisoners again? Why should they now feel that their decision to attempt to be nicer was worthwhile? Look what happened. Fuck you. This board has outlived its purpose and become something ugly and useless.
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Post by jcarter on Feb 22, 2016 15:52:39 GMT -5
It doesn't even matter what was in these docs. Just the fact that somebody hacked (or stole or whatever) the fucking immortal wiki and leaked it gives them plenty of reason to return to the Third Reich methods that they'd started to relinquish. Well fucking done, barka and whoever applauded him and defended what he did. You've set Arm back two years in terms of becoming a reasonable and well-managed game again. Anyone who has no problem with this is a genuine piece of shit, a truly disgusting person. I'm not even on "their" side, I haven't liked what the game had become, but it was starting to head in the right direction. Why spit in their faces and give them incentive to go back to treating players like prisoners again? Why should they now feel that their decision to attempt to be nicer was worthwhile? Look what happened. Fuck you. This board has outlived its purpose and become something ugly and useless. this is weird on many levels. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 17:40:18 GMT -5
No, you just can't comprehend any stance that differs from your own primitive one.
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Post by jcarter on Feb 22, 2016 18:03:49 GMT -5
No, you just can't comprehend any stance that differs from your own primitive one. sure i can. i just don't give a shit. this board was made as a place to post and exist for the sake of existing. there were never core message or effort into fixing Arm, rebelleion, plan to reconcile or w/e. i've put this out there multiple times over the years. if arm blows up in a fireball of drama, i don't particularly care. if it becomes the golden age of muds, i don't particularly care. now people have come and gone, and brought their own ideas and notions with them in an effort to somehow shape things, but at the end of the day the board is a board. i've upheld two major rules -- no hate speech nor doxxing. both of which I have enforced on these boards, and continue to enforce. what happens on private hosting or elsewhere, i'm not accountable for and don't care. the idea that this board is a community is kind of funny, because it's really not. it's a weird cross-section of people, from the banned to the currently playing to current staff to former staff. disgruntled and satisfied players alike. the tribalism angle is funny, because by definition people such as @rgs my2sids and malkeninthemiddle are part of this 'tribe' of people who post and interact. with that aside, i comprehend your stance perfectly fine. and i comprehend the stance of others perfectly fine. but i'm completely unmoved and don't really give a shit beyond satisfying my own curiosity and that of others. that's not a justification or defense either because frankly i don't particularly feel the need to justify nor defend myself about this, and debating the ethics of whether or not to share leaked information regarding the lore of a custom dungeons and dragons campaign to people who want to know about it matters to me as much as discussing whether or not a True Brit takes their tea with one or two lumps of sugar. |
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