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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 21:11:36 GMT -5
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Post by BitterFlashback on Feb 20, 2016 21:15:31 GMT -5
Oh shit, Davaz got his own history page. Figures; that guy was a fixture for years who added a ton of shit to Kurac's culture.
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Post by jkarr on Feb 20, 2016 21:16:14 GMT -5
u do unspeakable damage to nessalins ego with ur old arm clone nessalin reels from the blow nessalin attempts to flee u seize the opening and attack u do unspeakable damage to nessalins shroud with ur staff wikileaks nessalins cries out in pain nessalin crumples to the ground <ding> -------
welcome to being the change!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 21:17:53 GMT -5
lots of broken links pointing back at armageddon.org ... unfortunately
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Post by BitterFlashback on Feb 20, 2016 21:20:14 GMT -5
Speaking of Nessalin, his staff page is a bit... brief. (I'm now looking through all the staff pages.)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 21:23:13 GMT -5
so much info on the wiki...
Does a great job of showing how fun the game used to be and old enough to not really ruin anything.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 21:33:36 GMT -5
I had to remove a page that had a list of staff names/addresses/phone/dates of birth for privacy reasons. If you've downloaded the page before I got to it, please delete it. Done
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Post by BitterFlashback on Feb 20, 2016 21:48:16 GMT -5
I had to remove a page that had a list of staff names/addresses/phone/dates of birth for privacy reasons. If you've downloaded the page before I got to it, please delete it. I'm blown away they'd even have something like that up... but I remember way back when the staff used to be chummier. I'm not personally concerned; the only thing of mine they might have had is my AIM handle. I was disappointed Mekeda's email wasn't on her page though. I lost that (and a lot of other shit) to a system crash years ago. Other stuff worth giving a look at: - Moderating_the_GDB - so vague about staff behavior it's no wonder there's been so much bullshit from staff on the GDB
- JavaScript_Sex_Variables - the most disappointing page due to its name
- Pearl's autobiography - Apparently when she got on the staff and wrote this, she misunderstood why the Kuraci yelled "Greetings from Domhalon" when they killed her permanently
Surprisingly there are no pages that begin with the letters Q or higher. I am amazed there weren't pages for Ysania or Sargax, both of whom added more to the game than Pearl by leaps and bounds. EDIT: Actually, @barka, are you sure you put everything up? I was browsing the site through special pages and it ends alphabetically at PhpWikiAdministration. There's no way in hell there's no page for the Tan Muark, and I can see in-wiki links to it when I do a search.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 22:00:44 GMT -5
I actually feel a little uneasy about this. We've maintained that we don't actively harm the game, and this feels like it tests the limits of that. How can we say we want what's best for the game if we're leaking relatively concurrent information like this? Putting up a 1999 version of the game is one thing, and pretty harmless, but this feels like just a "fuck you, Armageddon" move.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Feb 20, 2016 22:06:34 GMT -5
I actually feel a little uneasy about this. We've maintained that we don't actively harm the game, and this feels like it tests the limits of that. How can we say we want what's best for the game if we're leaking relatively concurrent information like this? I don't believe this board has been characterized as "not harmful" by most of the people on it; we've argued it's good for Arm because it subjects the game to criticism it can't stomp out with threats and player abuse.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 22:19:20 GMT -5
I think the fundamental premise of this board is that this community ultimately wants what's best for the game, and to do what it can to oppose perceived corruption from staff and flawed ideologies that they refuse to change. For instance, overly opaque game mechanics are bad, so we offer the skill lists and such. Unprofessional behaviour from staff is bad so we provide a place to expose and discuss it. The immortal documentation doesn't really fit into that, and all it does is undermine the game and staff's ability to tell stories.
You know I'm hardly a fan of the current staff lot, but if I were one of them, seeing this kind of wiki dump would make me feel even less inclined to acknowledge our point of view and that we're sometimes right where they're wrong. This feels like it might compromise what has looked like the beginnings of a real acceptance on their part of what this community has established, and the fact that we do just want the game to return to glory.
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 20, 2016 22:21:43 GMT -5
What is best for a game is subjective. If you believe that the current direction and development of the game is generally a culture of limitation and removing content instead of expanding it. You could believe that the release of information which shows how much was really IN the game is actually beneficial for highlighting how much has been removed.
In addition to that, I am not so hopeful as to assume everyone on these boards wants what's best for the game. I think many people want to highlight the flaws in the games potentially to protect others from going through what they did or simply to highlight the flaws because the GDB and staff would not let them do it on the primary website.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Feb 20, 2016 22:26:33 GMT -5
I think the fundamental premise of this board is that this community ultimately wants what's best for the game Yes, I am aware you're trying to frame this as "If what we do could be argued to be harmful we shouldn't do it." That's a crock. Someone could easily make the argument that exposing all the staff abuse drove people away from the game when they realized it wasn't going to end because what happened to them was neither isolated nor frowned upon. We want Armageddon to be a better game. That's not the same thing as protecting its status quo. The immortal documentation doesn't really fit into that, and all it does is undermine the game and staff's ability to tell stories. This does not in any way reduce the ability of staff to tell stories. It's almost entirely history, most of which they haven't even revealed to people, which makes most of the shit that happens in the staff plots seem totally random. "Oh hey, the Tuluki now have an invulnerable headcrab army! Where did that come from? If I don't find out IC THE WHOLE GAME IS POINTLESS!" Help me out here; how is finding out the headcrab army was pulled from the deepest part of some staffer's ass a barrier to current staff telling future stories?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 22:31:15 GMT -5
It's probably more a matter of principle than any real harmful information being leaked, although there is a bit of that as well. I just feel that this sort of thing will make staff circle the wagons again, whereas they seemed to have started to acknowledge that this place isn't just a cheater's board, and that our discussion is worth listening to. It undermines the position of this board as a critical but valid counterpart to the GDB's self-serving and extremely biased nonsense.
It's not about the exact information contained in the wiki. It's about "we thought they might have had a point, but they leaked the imm wiki, so fuck them forever and we're done listening to them." We don't want things to go back to where being a user of this board is grounds for an immediate ban from the game. That was, after all, the case at one point.
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 20, 2016 22:43:29 GMT -5
What if Nyr comes and posts, but he's not technically a producer right now?
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