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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 12:02:39 GMT -5
Once upon a time, sponsored roles didn't matter so much. In contrast with today's game, you could roll up most any sponsored role besides a noble, templar, or GMH family member and NOT have to worry about force storage. If you put in a sponsored role for a gypsy, the staff would not simply store your gypsy when you stopped playing regularly. If you rolled up a desert elf, which wasn't even special app back then, you didn't have to worry about storage to make room for other elves... because there wasn't even a clan cap.
Really, it seems that there has been this trend to make more and more characters "special application" characters and to consequently exert more control over these roles with ever-present threats like force-storage.
Again, historically, you DID have to worry about force storage when it came to templars, nobles, and GMH family members. But... now they have expanded the definition of sponsored roles to quite a degree, and it is just disconcerting and a symptom of how much MORE the staff want to control and micromanage things in game compared to "the way things used to be."
If you DO manage to start your own clan with all the warehouse bells and wagon whistles, you're now a SPONSORED CHARACTER and can be STORED at their descretion. It scarcely seems fair that I can put in 75 days on a character, come to lead a House, but then face storage because I disagreed with staff.
Does anyone else see the problem with this? Just them being able to freely store any remarkable character at any time "because they said so" seems like a vast departure from a time when sponsored character storage only applied to templars, nobles, or GMH family members.
Personally, I think there needs to be a new rule - posted publicly somewhere - that says force storage for OOC considerations ONLY may be applied to templars, nobles, or GMH family members.
Thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 12:09:23 GMT -5
Have many people out there been force stored from roles beyond templars, noble, or GMH family members in the past several years?
Or are the incidents that have been mentioned on these forums already just like, isolated events?
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Post by jesantu on Feb 5, 2016 12:14:37 GMT -5
I think that was a nyr thing and is unlikely to happen currently.
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Post by grumble on Feb 5, 2016 12:19:18 GMT -5
As far as sponsored roles are concerned, I, personally, think they should only be force-stored when they overstep in a manner that's harmful to the RP environment, not for simple docs violations. If I have to point to one player who has played a sponsored role in a manner I could really get behind and appreciate, it would be Malifaxis. That guy, really approaches any obstacle, and manhandles the shit out of it, but the whole time he's doing it, you can tell by his character's IC actions that his heart is in facilitating player enjoyment. Even if you're on his character's bad side, you can see it in how he handles you, gives you the benefit of the doubt, and lets you run with it. You never feel like anything, with him, is on rails of any kind, or anywhere near them. If there is not something going on, he's the type of fucker to break into your apartment and arrange your belongings so it looks like a band of feral orphans have taken up residence. His characters may make bone-headed mistakes, but if anything, that's much more a feature than a flaw. He knows he doesn't have to go out of his way to get his grim-dark street cred on, he knows these situations will naturally come to him. I wish staff gave more players more leeway like they give that guy, Arm would be a rocking place if there were enough trust for more players who approach things like Malifaxis.
That said, I've not knowingly played under too many players of sponsored roles. Koman Locke was a scumbag, and not, to my knowlege, a sponsored role, but he was pretty badass in his own light, and really served to liven things up. I'm not sure who played him, but honestly, despite any petty nitpickings I may have, they're utterly blown away by what I was impressed with.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 12:20:46 GMT -5
That's good to hear at least, but I hope that people would understand why others would be nervous about this sorta of just flat out WRONG activity.
I've had a templar and a Salarri force stored out of 16 years... hmm, a Kadian too at one point, who was unstored... but when I started seeing players write about force storages on things outside of nobles, templars, or GMH family members, I was mad for them.
Technically, though, with the way the docs on the minor merchant house thing stands... you *do* become a sponsored character.
So, technically... they can store you at their descretion at any time. I guess, technically, they can do that anyway, but specifically, I'm pretty sure I remember putting that together after reading the rules for the minor merchant house thing. Admittedly, it's been quite a long while since I looked back over those.
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Post by grumble on Feb 5, 2016 12:21:18 GMT -5
Then there's RRR, who played the rather famous and likable Htaniya Fale. Things really went to shit when Lady Templar Htaniya vanished, tipping the scales and unbalancing things toward the hamfisted tactics of Lord Templar Kitrix Borsail. You could reason with Htaniya, nothing was ever black and white, it was obvious the player would give you some leeway no matter what seemingly terrible thing you'd done.
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Post by punished ppurg on Feb 5, 2016 12:25:01 GMT -5
Chipping in to say I was force-stored. Heh. That's what happens when you have more respect for the game than the staff clique over you.
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Post by grumble on Feb 5, 2016 12:26:41 GMT -5
The thing I hate to hear is, "In this, you leave me no choice.", that's the problem with petty force-storages and the carrot of karma, they really DO have no choice. But the simple reality is, there's always a choice, there's just, a choice that puts you at a disadvantage. I respect a player that plays to play, that you can tell plays for the enjoyment of others, they don't play to win, or to make their Mary Sue a coded badass, and they don't play to lose, either.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 12:28:12 GMT -5
Triple P, story time... what was the deal with you getting force stored?
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Post by grumble on Feb 5, 2016 12:30:50 GMT -5
I mean, to put in perspective, my PC was KNOWN to have had Drogan murdered, everyone LOVED Drogan, EVERYONE was hunting down any sharp they could find in the hopes of tracking down my elf over that mess. I was sitting in the rinth one day, drunk as fuck, and wayed Htaniya some pretty lewd, euphemistic stuff, bad idea, right?.. no, it wasn't. That actually opened the door to communication, understanding, redemption, and even more murder, corruption, and betrayal than you can wave a stick at.
The common sense approach is invalidated by the fact that there is nothing common about common sense.
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Post by grumble on Feb 5, 2016 12:31:42 GMT -5
Aw, I'm sure PPP can point you to the thread where he railed about it, and in hindsight, he was justified, though at times it seemed like he was pretty much inviting further abuse.
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Post by grumble on Feb 5, 2016 12:36:10 GMT -5
It's too soon to talk about my recent PC that was force stored. I'm not mad about it, the whole time I was wishing I could play something else. Despite having fun with the role, my heart was elsewhere. I disagree with the storage, but I'm not unhappy with it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 12:42:56 GMT -5
I guess I am just trying to get a handle on how often this happens these days. To me, it seems like one of those Nyr things that just needs to go away completely, unless we're talking about templars, nobles, or GMH family members... who were app'd in as such.
If you get adopted by a GMH, you shouldn't be liable to force storage either, IMO. As long as the character is alive, you should be able to log back in and keep playing them, even if it's three RL years later.
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Post by punished ppurg on Feb 5, 2016 12:51:32 GMT -5
Aw, I'm sure PPP can point you to the thread where he railed about it, and in hindsight, he was justified, though at times it seemed like he was pretty much inviting further abuse. It's all documented in my Don't play in the AoD thread. When it was happening, everyone was telling me (in my best interests) to sit down, shut up, and take it. And it wasn't about my enjoyment; it was about the experiences of others in the clan, which had been ruined due to staff's failure. Wizturbo blames himself for it, but that's just trying to take water out of the watershed; it's staff's fault and theirs alone for what they animated and what they did, which shattered any perceived realism or sense within the game universe. I'll be damned if I'll ever capitulate to that. That was shameful, and they way Cavaticus, Talia, and Nyr tried to bury me was pathetic on their part. I'm glad they've left, and I hope they never come back. They were less than worthless -- they were active detriments to this game, ruining not only my experience but others', far beyond we'll ever be able to know. And that is because people are still afraid of stepping out and realizing how much of a bully they made themselves out to be. /Rant |
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Post by grumble on Feb 5, 2016 13:24:25 GMT -5
I don't blame you, PPP, it was, quite fucked up. I was likely someone saying to kwitcherbitchin, but to be honest part of that likely made an impact and a change, hopefully, and seemingly, for the positive. If everyone just sits down and shuts up, nothing ever changes.
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