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Post by pinkerdlu on Jan 31, 2016 14:19:39 GMT -5
There has always been a bizarre lack of logic in the notion that fighthing 'rinth NPCs is a heinous act that should not be tolerated under any circumstances. It's literally the only thing there is to do in the 'rinth. It's the only way for 'rinth-bound characters to interact with their environment, and the only way to realistically increase skills. The NPCs themselves fight constantly, killing eachother in droves, and the entire concept of the place is that violence is common and life is cheap. As long as you're not slaughtering gang-marked NPCs, or leaving whole neighbourhoods littered with corpses, fighting shouldn't automatically be controversial. It should be normal. It should be treated as entirely ordinary to get in scraps every few IG days, but people will fucking court-marshall you if they spot you fighting even when you make sure not to actually kill the NPCs. Chalk it up to there being so little to do in the 'rinth that everyone cares too much. Yep. |
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Post by dcdc on Jan 31, 2016 17:19:23 GMT -5
LOL It's skill suppression wrapped up as 'role play', it's the biggest crock of hypocrisy that I watch players engage in every time I roll up in there. Like they expect me to salt till I can get sparring weapons and some how trust the same fragile ego's not to murder me when I'm just trying to spar.
Rinth is great, just some of the players are utter fucking trash and will never admit that the entire play style (Grind in secret, murder anyone who tries to grind) is what keeps the place from poppin' properly. Though this isn't new for Armageddon players. They'll bitch about a lack of players, or plots, or conflict, or fuck whatever but given the first inkling of a chance they'll nip it right in the bud before it can blossom and then go back to the stagnant normal.
People love... and I mean love to blame staff for the woes of Allanak and the game in general but players are honestly some the biggest issues with the game. They're all tied up into winning with code or just hiding out in clan compounds mud sexing. Ya can't even toss an insult down caravan way with out two bynners, an indie breed, and a secret magicker plotting typing kill dude first chance they get.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Jan 31, 2016 17:50:03 GMT -5
Meh, I can kinda see where newer players, or people unfamiliar with how 'Rinth is supposed to work, might get tied up in the "protect NPCs" ideal.
I fell into that line of thinking with the first few Guilders I played, and it took a good long while for me to see the alleys for what they were. I used to think it was the last refuge of a downtrodden and poverty-stricken class of people just trying to get by with day-to-day life, and it took me far too long to realize how wrong I was. Because shit, the downtrodden and poverty-stricken class lives in the Commoner Quarters. 'Rinth is the quintessential scumhive where you deserve to be mugged if anyone sees you're rich enough to give food to the orphanage.
I think this is due to a combination of things, but mostly players. A lack of role-models that "get it" for newer players to learn from, players that are too afraid to beat the shit out of and strip naked those silly assholes that max stealth and flaunt their silk, hardly anybody that starts a PC in 'Rinth is interested in actually staying there, The Guild as a clan is a fucking mess communication and document-wise. On top of all that, people are scared to death of doing legit hood shit in Allanak at night.
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Post by jkarr on Jan 31, 2016 19:17:09 GMT -5
lol @ the idea that players should nerf realistic ig responses out of some ooc concern for other players losing grinding opportunities in their territory
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Jan 31, 2016 19:21:41 GMT -5
lol @ the idea that players should nerf realistic ig responses out of some ooc concern for other players losing grinding opportunities in their territory stamping your foot and saying "don't kill npcs!" isn't exactly a realistic ig response in an area where child gangs regularly murder the fuck out of people for the hope of food on the regular |
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Post by dcdc on Jan 31, 2016 19:28:20 GMT -5
lol @ the idea that players should nerf realistic ig responses out of some ooc concern for other players losing grinding opportunities in their territory Then Mr. Mystery, how does one indeed grind in the rinth with out getting le bashed for grinding? Magic? Sparring with the said murderous fuckers? Risking East side and the one max assassin C-elf player who might be floating about there? |
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Jan 31, 2016 19:33:00 GMT -5
lol @ the idea that players should nerf realistic ig responses out of some ooc concern for other players losing grinding opportunities in their territory Then Mr. Mystery, how does one indeed grind in the rinth with out getting le bashed for grinding? Magic? Sparring with the said murderous fuckers? Risking East side and the one max assassin C-elf player who might be floating about there? I preferred to go southside at night and mug the shit out of NPCs and pray I didn't get caught by a stray guard patrol. Can't say any characters lasted very long. :x |
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Post by dcdc on Jan 31, 2016 19:35:52 GMT -5
LOL man, this contrarian bullshit bugs me sometimes. Then I really don't wanna hear/see bitching about people rolling Rinthi's and then going straight to the Byn to get some grind on.
No one can reliable skill up, with max stealth PC's running around looking for reasons to sneak in a free PK. Unless you're some offpeak player or you adjust your life around skill grinding. Till then, expect to see Rinthi warriors/assassins running down jozhal's out the merchant's gate.
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Post by jkarr on Jan 31, 2016 20:13:06 GMT -5
lol @ the idea that players should nerf realistic ig responses out of some ooc concern for other players losing grinding opportunities in their territory stamping your foot and saying "don't kill npcs!" isn't exactly a realistic ig response in an area where child gangs regularly murder the fuck out of people for the hope of food on the regular tell someone 'dont kill npcs' is an ooc request not an ig response |
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Post by jkarr on Jan 31, 2016 20:16:04 GMT -5
lol @ the idea that players should nerf realistic ig responses out of some ooc concern for other players losing grinding opportunities in their territory Then Mr. Mystery, how does one indeed grind in the rinth with out getting le bashed for grinding? Magic? Sparring with the said murderous fuckers? Risking East side and the one max assassin C-elf player who might be floating about there? thats not any other players problem to figure out nor is it anyone elses perogative to alter their rp to accomodate another players skillraising needs on npcs under their protection or purview |
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Post by pinkerdlu on Jan 31, 2016 20:58:38 GMT -5
One of jkarr's many inane opinions
Reading it is like listening to nails on a chalk board
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Jan 31, 2016 23:06:06 GMT -5
stamping your foot and saying "don't kill npcs!" isn't exactly a realistic ig response in an area where child gangs regularly murder the fuck out of people for the hope of food on the regular tell someone 'dont kill npcs' is an ooc request not an ig response Ah, I misunderstood you then. I think. |
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Post by grumble on Feb 2, 2016 15:34:52 GMT -5
Thing is, and I've seen it a lot, if you're grinding east side and you're not an elf, expect someone to seriously start questioning your intentions. That doesn't mean you have to die, just that you might. Oh, and most of the elven NPCs on the east side are Jaxa Pah, most wear colors, a few do not because the signifier of that Jaxa Family is never washing your shit of blood, no shit, I guess some NPCs just get loaded without a signifier then.
... then there's that weird elf wearing a Guild vest, although, I think they finally stopped him from spawning with that. There's only a few NPCs east side to spar, and elf PCs won't like it if you're poaching east side. Go shank orphans on the west side or something.
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Post by topkekm8s on Feb 2, 2016 18:06:50 GMT -5
the only time i die in the rinth is usually due to my own incompetence
the npc carebear police aren't so much of an issue anymore since i orchestrated baker's death via ultimate mastermindery
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Post by punished ppurg on Feb 2, 2016 18:17:08 GMT -5
Them's fighting words, son.
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