Summon's not gone, & Bad Whiran Thoughts.

This is actually a very useful discussion. And proof of what makes this board infinitely more valuable than the gdb. Even if you want to smokey the situation by saying everything is fine, the fact remains. The magicks of wind are megapowerful and dwarf the powers of the sun and even necromancy. I don't think that was intended when the guilds were written. It just turned out that way. But I'd rather see a fix that makes nilazis super scary when placed alongside a mere wind magicker, rather than move karma requirements around. A whiran should have more focus on movement rather than offensive powers.

when people say 'no risk', do you think they literally mean that whirans are 100% unstoppable and are immune to everything in the game? or do you take it like everyone else here that they mean there for all intents and purposes there is extremely low risk to the character (disproportionate to what every other karma option in the game suffers, including higher karma ones) because mobs that can see invis are few and far between, can be easily avoided through other whiran mechanics, and whirans are able to choose how and when to engage but just choose to be pedantic and not address the core points?

See? Funny.

awww u scared the imms are gonna take away or nerf ur widdle twansfer toy? too fucking bad, ur conflation of world harshness with needlessly overpowered code mechanics for certain classes is completely out of touch with staff opinion, its the same reason they did away with summon. its also why ur widdle toy is going to be nerfed soon fortunately it wasnt but uve already demonstrated ur more interested in defaulting back to attacking ur own strawmen instead of approaching the real point: a spell with the same killing power and method as one that was removed for that reason having no justification for staying in its present formtheres nothing 'inventive' about applying summon spell strategy to the exact same spell that puts out a laughably small margin of risk after a couple of very easy preps

It rarely is the latter, though. You can usually bet that someone's plan to PK somebody isn't the culmination of a bunch of inclusive roleplay that drew in a number of other players and created events and scenes. In fact, odds are overwhelmingly that the killer did the exact opposite, keeping everything very much under wraps and preferably never so much as doing a 'think' that pertained to it because anything like that would reduce the chance of success. You can't really compare it to a book where the author goes out of his way to make it interesting, versus a game where the player benefits from going out of his way to make it as uninteresting as possible in order to increase the safety of the act.

That's not really the point, anyway. To use your analogy again, the character Renly was specifically written to be killed in that way because it was one of the story-defining turning points. Imagine if, in each novel of the series, one of the main characters randomly just vanished and was never heard from again. Swish, that's Jon Snow gone. Poof, Cersei gone in a puff of smoke. You never hear of them again. That wouldn't lend much to the story.

In comparison to books, RPI murder is very rarely a net positive. The death of a PC almost never creates more for the game than it takes away. It's important that PCs can and do die so that there's risk and gravity to the game, but it's really rare that deaths actually enrich the game. They can, but they usually don't; certainly not when the death was just a random poof-gone vanishing act whose perpetrator is probably unknown. This is why effortless, anonymous murder buttons are a bad thing for the game. It doesn't even really give people a chance to derive meaningful roleplay from the death of a character.

I semi-cheesedicked you once.

I wouldn't be so sure it's going to be nerfed soon. Just because you seem to think you have influence over the game, doesn't make it so.

You bitched because I didn't offer any logical ways to assess the situation, the moment I do, you attack like a child because well, that's your mentality. Or rather, thatz ur mentality. Try and use correct grammar and punctuation, cretin.

And no, Staff removed A spell. One. To do the same now requires three, that's 3 not one, 1, you fucking imbicile. 3, that place you EXACTLY where the victim was. For most, and lets assume for the moment it was Mr stool-sitter in this instance, that means the whiran in question would pop into a highly populated room, most of which have hidden NPC's of thier own, or NPC's with max scan.

Now lets do some math too.....Thats at max, 100 mana, assuming fly is used in a summon spell, now up to a max of 150, which is a large amount of mana, even if it's 60-80 as most spells at what, Sul, cap out at 20 mana, you're looking at at least a good 2 thirds of an average mages mana pool. sure, you can get an escape off, but thats assuming you don't fail the cast, or somone doesn't stick you before you do with thier twinky ranger scan Now, it, as stated, requires planning, preparation, forethought and knowledge instead of a whim.

But I forgot, again, that independent thought is a sin here. It's a conform or die mentality, because as long as you've been playing, you know best, right? Explain to me how you're any better than the GDB? Tell me again how much better you are when, for the majority, you've lost the right to play at least once, if not more, because you can't seem to get over the fact that having your head up your ass isn't a way to see the light.

And yes, it was inventive. If it wasn't, it would have been happening since the removal of the summon spell, since, as you claim, it does exactly the same thing, just in more steps.

I fail to see your point of view, Jkarr, as I can't insert my head that far up a rectum without serious damage.