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Post by pinkerdlu on Jan 24, 2016 13:24:06 GMT -5
Pretty sure that's a quote from Jcarter.
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Post by grumble on Jan 24, 2016 13:26:32 GMT -5
I'm the first to jump up and say mindless grief for the sake of grief is no good for the game... but without powerful instant death tools, some players with enormous amounts of power-creep simply become completely untouchable, and have little reason to hold back at that point... so there's the good and the bad to all of it.
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Post by jesantu on Jan 24, 2016 13:30:04 GMT -5
there are plenty of long lived pcs who have outlived their utility and need to die. but there are also plenty of ways to skin a cat, none of which require powers on par with an immortal that come at no cost and are risk free
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Post by jesantu on Jan 24, 2016 13:33:07 GMT -5
grumble your only argument for why it's ok to have invincible powers that come at no cost is that some characters need to die....remember when pearl was finally FINALLY killed and no longer resurrected? even her murderers took risks pulling it off. and despite the magick used they still had to be there in person.
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Post by grumble on Jan 24, 2016 13:38:04 GMT -5
As I gather Pearl was a special case. Wasn't Koriya or whatever murdered and ressed several times? Yeah, there's always risks. Summon involved fewer risks. You can pop out of a Nilazi hole with tainted daggers no matter where your enemy is, but if he's in the middle of the gaj, whew.
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Post by jkarr on Jan 24, 2016 13:42:24 GMT -5
I'm the first to jump up and say mindless grief for the sake of grief is no good for the game... but without powerful instant death tools, some players with enormous amounts of power-creep simply become completely untouchable, and have little reason to hold back at that point... so there's the good and the bad to all of it. that lvl of power is not a stretch when u are a longlived combat badass with an entire city at ur back. and too powerful for what, a mundane one on one fight? whatd u expect a wet paper bag if staff decided someone in his position was getting 'too powerful' in a way that brought an unrealistic imbalance to the gameworld then they would have done something about it, but they didnt, and all it comes down to is u supporting a borderline twinky death spell combo just because it brought 'balance' to the gw by killing someone u decided was overpowered and needed a reminder that he can die. chars rarely get that strong and longlived by failing to appreciate how easy it is to die |
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Post by jesantu on Jan 24, 2016 13:44:57 GMT -5
That's exactly my point. A nilazi takes risks. He doesn't know how many templars are on the other end of that portal waiting. And if it's a pearl he's after, chances are the imms have alerted her to your presence and there are templars waiting
what you're saying is it's totally legit for the game to have players who can kill anyone anywhere at any time without any risk. Go explain the reality of that situation to a new player. Not to sound like a complete smokey, dude but you really don't see why they're gonna stop playing?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2016 13:55:38 GMT -5
I wouldn't support nixing a spell from a guild that already had one of their spells removed recently unless it was going to be replaced by something else.
Magick is supposed to be a tool-set, a powerful one, but a tool-set. And yes, I do believe in "muh scary" to a degree. If magick isn't scary and extra-powerful, it stops looking like magic. Hold on, I'll go kill myself for that opinion, brb.
OK, back. Magick isn't much of a tool-set when there's an instant risk-free kill button on hand. Why use anything else but that trick ever again if you want somebody dead? Whirans should be more of a utility guild IMO, and they should have to use that mobility they have as a strategy. They should have to think on their feet, whether those feet are in the air or on the ground. Magickers should have a lot of power, but they're obviously not supposed to be one-trick ponies, or they wouldn't have such extensive spell lists.
It's not so much that I'm butt-hurt that Whirans are able to kill easily and safely as much as I am annoyed by how cheesy and boring that tactic is. I don't blame the players for using it, but it should be replaced with something more fun for both Whiran and victim.
EDIT: Another problem with magick is that there is a hush-hush policy on the GDB regarding it, which limits the amount of constructive discussion that can take place. People on the GDB can suggest that burglars and pickpockets be rolled into one guild all day long, but if you have a problem with the use of a spell, all you can do is send in a request.
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Post by grumble on Jan 24, 2016 13:58:08 GMT -5
I started playing under the impression that my PC could be killed at any time, anywhere.
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Post by jesantu on Jan 24, 2016 13:59:13 GMT -5
That's not what I mean and you know it
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Jan 24, 2016 14:00:00 GMT -5
I started playing under the impression that my PC could be killed at any time, anywhere. what overpowered method should we use to kill those who have overpowered methods to kill those who are too powerful |
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Post by dcdc on Jan 24, 2016 14:01:32 GMT -5
I find it hilarious that people can complain about a way they were killed, yet when given the chance, they'd do exactly the same thing to someone else for no other reason than they can. Or it's been done to them, so it must be okay. Your PC died, this time, it was in a way you didn't like, next time, it might be in a way you don't like. Lifes unfair buttercup, get over it. You'd be complaining if a ranger had tagged you in the throat from 3 rooms away with a poison arrow because it's op and your gick had no way of fighting against it if that was how it went down. "These are all equally valid solutions. 1.Essentially remove transference from the game, as summon was. 2.Turn transference into an "offering" of movement, in the sense that the target can choose "yes" or "no" to a prompt to activate the spell. This would maintain the benevolent aspects of the spell. 3.When the Whiran casts the spell, they effectively "give" their magickal conditions to the target. E.g. if the Whiran is levitating and invisible, then the target is now levitating and invisible where the Whiran was, and the Whiran loses those active spells where the target was. This would need some further tinkering with spell mechanics and the sort in able for me to be satisfied with it." 1 Why? you'd be nerfing an already nerfed guild because you got butthurt. Next time, don't piss of a gick. 2. Sure....OH guys, I'm about to disappear, but I'm not a witch, I just know one, and can you kill them when they get here? 3. This would ruin all the fun Mushashi has trolling people with his whirans, and I'd like to direct you to the above statement....dead whiran when whiran shouldn't be dead. I had a friend once, she had a saying I loved.'życie jest brutalne' Or, if you don't speak Polish, 'Life is Brutal' end of te day, it's a game, if you can't play a game where others play it, and not get over your butthurt once in a while, maybe you should stick to playing COD with the 12 year olds. Lol I found the Whiran! Can't wait to nail that karma fuck from three rooms away with a poisoned arrow. Bet he'll file a staff complaint. "Hurrr durrr Life is le harsh!" Fucking knuckle draggers man. |
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Post by grumble on Jan 24, 2016 14:01:36 GMT -5
I started playing under the impression that my PC could be killed at any time, anywhere. what overpowered method should we use to kill those who have overpowered methods to kill those who are too powerful Heramide arrows. |
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Post by jesantu on Jan 24, 2016 14:05:18 GMT -5
Bet he'll file a staff complaint. As long as smokey is not filing a complaint against himself while simultaneously being the one receiving it we should be OK. |
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Jan 24, 2016 14:11:10 GMT -5
what overpowered method should we use to kill those who have overpowered methods to kill those who are too powerful Heramide arrows. lol come on dude theres probably a big long list of shit that could kill these "untouchable" pcs you go on about it doesnt have to be a "cant do a goddamn thing about this fuck you" method im not sure why your convinced it does |
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