Summon's not gone, & Bad Whiran Thoughts.

Lost plenty, difference being is I don't bitch an moan about it because shit happens, people are assholes, an life is brutal. And you know....ITS A GAME.

If you can't get over the fact that your long lived PC will die, and probably not in a manner of your choosing, go play fucking Iron Realms or some shit.

we get it smokey, you have a big dick and we are all just a bunch of filthy casuals

got anything that isnt reminiscent of a "lol all these noobs complaining about the AWP" counter-strike reddit argument?

Not at all, a lot of the folks on this board are people who taught me to play, people who are by and large, better than I am, but you're right, I DO have a big dick.

I don't read reddit...so I have no idea what you're on about, but probably not, no. My entire point is that at some point or another, we have all, every single one, abused code and loopholes therein to gain an advantage, bitching because you're for once on the receiving end of it is about as adult as an Adam Sandler movie.

You're absolutely right.

Like I said in a previous post, I've power-ganked people using summon as a Whiran before. I knew it was bullshit then, and I supported and applauded the spell's removal. The problem we're having here right now is that Summon, in essence, is still in-game. It's not gone. The thing that staff removed because it was bullshit is still currently shitting up the game. That's why this thread was started in the first place.

There is still a method by which a Whiran can no-risk PK just about anybody. A method that is basically the Summon spell with a couple of extra steps. That is the point and issue raised by this thread.

Not backstab, archery, krathis, nilazis, vivaduans-- nothing else.

This combination of spells is the topic of discussion.

Focus.
In my own words, it puts virtually zero risk on the Whiran.

Like... None.

Unless the victim is being followed at all times by a max-scan ranger with a script set up to automatically find and kill the Whiran, before they flee and magick themselves away when their charge is transferred. Which is still futile, because the victim is going to die anyway and there's nothing anybody can do about it. The damage will be done.

Such a hard thing to pull off when you can make yourself invisible.

Could've sworn karma was a measure of the staff's trust in a player to not be a complete scumbag with their newfound power. I could be wrong.

That there false-equivalency train appears to be going down a slippery slope.

Transference is not no-risk. The only time there's no risk is if everything is in the exact right spot, under the exact right circumstances, and remains that way til the transference is complete. Since there's no guarantee that will happen, there is at least - some risk.

I was on the receiving end of transference awhile back. Both of us ended up dead because I was running from a sorcerer at the time. The whiran transferred himself right to the sorc. Boom. Dead whiran. I got transferred to two raptors. Boom. Dead me.

oh okay

so its no-risk unless you dont flee immediately like a smart person-- or if your target is in proximity of a hostile (or friendly, those exist right?) sorcerer with his "i can see invis stuff" glasses on

i stand absolutely corrected

delete this thread immediately purg, we've found ourselves some proper counterplay it is no longer an issue

The big difference between this and summon, however, is exactly what you said, it has to be planned RIGHT. If you don't plan it right you end up in the middle of Ghaati's BDSM scene with a defiler without knowing the safeword.