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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 2:53:31 GMT -5
aww no fair, I always thought she was among the most interesting of the bunch.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 2:53:41 GMT -5
I'm drunk shut up
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 5:03:37 GMT -5
In cases like this, it's generally not that people really dislike the player, it's just that there are some issues with the combination of a player who occupies an important position for a million years, and is incredibly boring and practically doesn't emote. This creates a situation where that's what comes to be the identity of whatever part of the game he occupies. In this case, Kurac becomes the clan led by a guy who's known for not emoting. It's kind of a bad precedent and an unfortunate thing by which to identify one of the game's most prominent clans.
Lots of people are boring as fuck and make absolutely zero effort to portray their character, but most of those players don't preside over significant chunks of the game for RL years. If you want to play in Kurac, you're forced to play under someone who can't take the time to type a few words to explain what his character is doing. Some people find this to be a bit grating, and I think it's fair to be disappointed with something like that in a game where text and emoting is more or less all there is.
Armageddon has an unhealthy culture of celebrating non-expressive RP, for some bizarre reason. It has somehow become taboo to expect emotes, and people will unite under the Emoting Does Not Equal Good Roleplay banner to such a circlejerking extent that it has actually become Not Emoting Equals Good Roleplay, at least to some players. There's this weird thing going on that almost feels like a subset of players have decided that if you can become a significant player without emoting, that's even better because you didn't have to emote to get where you are.
Players like Ruke, say what you will, set an objectively awful example for how to roleplay. Not because his roleplay is expressly bad, but because this isn't what a clanleader should be passing on to new players. It also makes one wonder why a player is sufficiently invested into the game to stick with the same character for ages, and in a clanlead position at that, but doesn't care to make his roleplay worth looking at. It's like a chef devoting his life to making bland, flavorless food. One has to wonder why. It's completely at odds with the game's medium.
In short, making no effort to write in an all-text roleplaying game is something that one can justifiably be critical of. Doubly so when the player in question is looked to as an example, at least ostensibly, by the players he leads. Unfortunately, Armageddon has long had an anti-emoting culture which is in part responsible for the fact that some players choose to play this way.
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Post by jkarr on Dec 27, 2015 6:37:24 GMT -5
i wouldnt say arm has an anti emoting culture, and i would argue that if it does then it is not something that is actively encouraged by staff, but moreso from players taking cues from players. if someone like ruke is emoting to the minimum while rping his char but he is rping realisticly and not out of line with the docs, then staff really doesnt have any reason to get on his ass. sure other players may take those cues as a sign of what they should and shouldnt do but that isnt something wizzes should ever try to change by oocly telling players of leaders like ruke to emote more or more descriptively. thats fucking stupid
what i think should be discouraged to help this situation is the notion that sponsored chars are ooc examples of rp to follow. when that idea is destroyed then ull see at least a few more ppl that wont be taking cues from clan leaders like ruke who may be more minimalist with their rp
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 6:58:58 GMT -5
Who fucking cares. People complaining about Ruke comes off as arrogant and self absorbed. Get off your high horse.
Nobody cares if you think your roleplay is good or someone elses is bad. If you don't like Ruke then go kill him and take his job.
If you spent half as much time making fun for others as you did making fun of others, the game would be in a much better spot. Everyone can criticize a leader but very few are willing to step up.
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Post by anyone on Dec 27, 2015 8:43:04 GMT -5
I just like killing
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Post by pinkerdlu on Dec 27, 2015 11:08:19 GMT -5
I just like mudsex
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Post by Tektrollnes on Dec 27, 2015 12:11:11 GMT -5
I am rolling up a new character named Ruke.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Dec 27, 2015 13:17:05 GMT -5
I am rolling up a new character named Ruke. me too there can be only one
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Post by my2sids on Dec 27, 2015 13:33:54 GMT -5
I played in Kurac a couple times since Ruke was around. I enjoyed myself and felt like the clan dynamic/interaction was fun for those inside the clan. Probably not so much for outsiders cause reasons. Like any GMH really.
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Post by Tektrollnes on Dec 27, 2015 13:45:38 GMT -5
If you cut off another Ruke's head you absorb his powers.
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Post by pinkerdlu on Dec 27, 2015 14:02:01 GMT -5
how do you think ruke got so powerful in the first place? ruke was the most popular name in the armageddon universe before amos and malik. until that one fateful day
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Post by lyse on Dec 27, 2015 14:39:15 GMT -5
Honestly, the issue is an issue of what do you do when a character reaches badass levels? It's pretty much an end game. Does staff challenge them with an adversary? Do players?
Drawing dicks in the sand outside of Luirs isn't going to get a response from him. Why should it? Trying to get his dander up by littering in Luirs....come on. When I first came back to the game my Byn character saw him and the rest of Kurac in the Gaj and was simply told not to fuck with him or Kurac.
So what do you do with a group of characters like that? Besides trash talk them on the shadowboards? What do you do when you're one of the most badass mundanes in the game? How does staff limit that?
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Post by my2sids on Dec 27, 2015 17:34:38 GMT -5
I get the feeling that some of the biggest whiners about leaders like Ruke play boring PCs that never contribute to clans or believe they should be the center of attention. It's not Ruke's job to entertain you, it's his job to be a believable PC that does his job IG. He does that.
I had a great time being his pseudo enemy on Umyska, recently as one of his recruits, and as his ally on a different PC outside his clan. Turns out you just have to put forth effort. Amazing.
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Post by jkarr on Dec 27, 2015 23:33:28 GMT -5
Honestly, the issue is an issue of what do you do when a character reaches badass levels? It's pretty much an end game. Does staff challenge them with an adversary? Do players? Drawing dicks in the sand outside of Luirs isn't going to get a response from him. Why should it? Trying to get his dander up by littering in Luirs....come on. When I first came back to the game my Byn character saw him and the rest of Kurac in the Gaj and was simply told not to fuck with him or Kurac. So what do you do with a group of characters like that? Besides trash talk them on the shadowboards? What do you do when you're one of the most badass mundanes in the game? How does staff limit that? why does there need to be something 'done' in the first place. im missing w/e problem ur talking about
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