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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 16:35:06 GMT -5
The amount of division that's propagated is hilarious. Staff vs players. Players vs player. Gdb vs shadow boards. Maybe just tone down the bogus talk a little and let the people who are on the fence or new to the game at least try without a fistful of negativity everywhere they go to look for answers or feedback.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 16:38:41 GMT -5
I wish I could have been involved in the Plainsman saga or something like it. I suspect that many of the complaints are from those who are involved. The game world is better with this kind of element there but it also needs to be balanced with a heavy mundane presence at the same time.
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Post by dcdc on Dec 2, 2015 16:38:43 GMT -5
Come on Kmart, you know you're really ASSMAD even if you wish you were a part of CUNTS.
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Post by drunkendwarf on Dec 2, 2015 16:45:08 GMT -5
Hah. I dunno if I'm a CUNT. I had 7 karma, but it took me YEARS to get that, and every single point but one of them was a result of me actually just straight asking for it. I was allowed to play some high karma characters due to my karma total, but I rarely communicated with staff more than I thought was necessary, which was apparently much less than they thought was necessary. I was also denied the ONE special app I've ever done, which was for a sorcerer, when I was sitting at 7 karma. Never once played a sponsored role and really only played in a clan with one character ever. Was docked karma for "lack of communication", chided for my "kill rate" with certain characters (the worst of which averaged one PC a month), and then ultimately banned from the game because they decided to force store my character when I told them I was taking an indefinite break from the game and I got pissed at them over it.
I was found and recruited by Plainsman. I had never before, nor had I after Plainsman, been involved in anything even remotely as crazy as the insane, magick-fueled plots that were swirling around that character. Plainsman was a CUNT (and actually Halaster, if I recall correctly). I think I just happened to be along for the ride. A CUNT-by-proxy, I suppose. But it became pretty apparent staff wasn't overly fond of me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 16:45:13 GMT -5
I'm eating sushi and drinking sake, I couldn't possibly be brought down enough right now to concede that I'm assmad about anything. I'll tell you what, though, I'm glad we don't have characters like the plainsman anymore. Low magick is an attraction of mine to the setting.
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Post by dcdc on Dec 2, 2015 17:04:56 GMT -5
Hah. I dunno if I'm a CUNT. I had 7 karma, but it took me YEARS to get that, and every single point but one of them was a result of me actually just straight asking for it. I was allowed to play some high karma characters due to my karma total, but I rarely communicated with staff more than I thought was necessary, which was apparently much less than they thought was necessary. I was also denied the ONE special app I've ever done, which was for a sorcerer, when I was sitting at 7 karma. Never once played a sponsored role and really only played in a clan with one character ever. Was docked karma for "lack of communication", chided for my "kill rate" with certain characters (the worst of which averaged one PC a month), and then ultimately banned from the game because they decided to force store my character when I told them I was taking an indefinite break from the game and I got pissed at them over it. I was found and recruited by Plainsman. I had never before, nor had I after Plainsman, been involved in anything even remotely as crazy as the insane, magick-fueled plots that were swirling around that character. Plainsman was a CUNT (and actually Halaster, if I recall correctly). I think I just happened to be along for the ride. A CUNT-by-proxy, I suppose. But it became pretty apparent staff wasn't overly fond of me. "CUNT-by-proxy" was a worthy chuckle. I think I remember else where on these boards lots of hate for Halaster for Plainsman. Yet in the same breath, I've yet to have anyone lift a explain a plot that seem damn near as cool. Similar to the Quick/Gin stuff. I know people harbor a lot of hate for the staff involved with plots like that, just seems the desire for 'low magick mundane plots' doesn't amount to much more then some cheap PK's and a bit melodrama but a lot of the stuff IC sekret who knows. Thanks for sharing. |
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Post by jcarter on Dec 2, 2015 17:15:06 GMT -5
Clearly a member of CUNTS, how Jelly I am. And from the history a lot of hate was generated for Plainsman, mostly fueled by Jelly. iirc plainsman was played by halaster while he was still on staff, and there's been allegations, even on the GDB, that he would notice shit as an imm and act on it as the plainsman. it's less to do with jelly and more to do with oh boy a staff member living out their power fantasy with code they wrote for themself while rampantly killing PCs. |
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Post by dcdc on Dec 2, 2015 17:23:27 GMT -5
I can understand that, but I guess anything less then a staff avatar would never be given that much agency. Still some of the details surrounding the plainsman seems actually interesting, which is sad that players felt robbed by staff cheating. I dunno, perhaps I experienced too much melodrama in the clan hall over who fucked who that a plot that seems deadly, fun, exciting, deviling into the nature of magick it self seems vastly preferable then easy mud sex and cheap PKs.
Of course my experiences are my experiences as far as I know cool shit still happening far remove from my scummy ass.
I don't have a lot of details that surrounding Hasan's work/group, just bits and pieces I managed to pick up, that sounds the closest to the more intriguing stuff I like about arm in recent history.
Although I will admit, the night of riots and looting was strangely entertaining.
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Post by bastilleangel on Dec 2, 2015 18:25:22 GMT -5
Clearly a member of CUNTS, how Jelly I am. And from the history a lot of hate was generated for Plainsman, mostly fueled by Jelly. The Plainsman was played by Halaster; I believe he was a Producer/Overlord (the old title for that position) the entire run of the character, but I'd have to go back and confirm that. I have an old, dear friend who is a shameless member of the "in crowd", and knows a ridiculous amount of things going on via OOC means. He and I have actually had some pretty intense discussions about the ethics involved over the years. I will say he plays almost entirely for the 90210-esque drama of the game (mates cheating on one other, what different characters are wearing and whether it's appropriate, social scandals, etc.), and to my knowledge has never used said info to PK or derail plots that didn't involve his direct assassination. Not great, but not nearly as egregious as some. EtA: I have to laugh, because my friend was the first of many I ever recruited into playing Arm, mainly because it was scary to me as well as intriguing, and I didn't want to do it without my besty.  |
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Post by picklehead on Dec 2, 2015 23:52:37 GMT -5
Ya, Plainsman was Halaster.
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Post by lyse on Dec 3, 2015 0:04:32 GMT -5
So, am I the only one thinking they guy that posted this could've totally survived this and became Plaonsman's minion if he wasn't all "kill me now" and thinking all the wrong thoughts which Plainsman could totally read?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 0:07:05 GMT -5
So, am I the only one thinking they guy that posted this could've totally survived this and became Plaonsman's minion if he wasn't all "kill me now" and thinking all the wrong thoughts which Plainsman could totally read? That was kinda my favorite part about it. True to the end. |
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Post by jcarter on Dec 3, 2015 9:05:35 GMT -5
I can understand that, but I guess anything less then a staff avatar would never be given that much agency. Still some of the details surrounding the plainsman seems actually interesting, which is sad that players felt robbed by staff cheating. I dunno, perhaps I experienced too much melodrama in the clan hall over who fucked who that a plot that seems deadly, fun, exciting, deviling into the nature of magick it self seems vastly preferable then easy mud sex and cheap PKs. Of course my experiences are my experiences as far as I know cool shit still happening far remove from my scummy ass. I don't have a lot of details that surrounding Hasan's work/group, just bits and pieces I managed to pick up, that sounds the closest to the more intriguing stuff I like about arm in recent history. Although I will admit, the night of riots and looting was strangely entertaining. so my issue with the Plainsman debacle (and take it with a grain of salt because everything I know about it has been hearing second hand/third hand) is that it was centered around Halaster's character. Plainsman didn't exist to attract players and make things fun for them, he existed for Halaster to curbstomp players. Look at how Plainsman did things - by himself. Wanted you dead? He did it. Needed something? Got it himself, or brought people along to forage it (as mentioned) and killed them. compare that to RRR's Tuluk tattoo bounty: The last straw for my interest was when I was told OOC’ly that my templar Htaniya had to cancel her bounty on Tuluki tattoos because it might lead to killing Tuluki PCs. So I stored her in November 2014, as soon as I could without reneging on my RPT obligations (which were sizeable as it turned out), and I haven’t had a taste for playing since. I’m coming out now on the Shadow Board after having been encouraged by friends to share my story, after hearing about Kronibas’s coming out, and now finally after the recent announcement that Tuluk is being removed from the game. It turns out my fun little Tuluki bounties were unceremoniously squelched for exactly nothing, because Tuluk will soon have zero PCs. that's a leader getting people involved in the game and using their position to make things fun for people. And if Tuluk doesn't like it? They could send any one of those ~amazing assassins~ down to handle business. it opens up things on both sides for play, interaction, and conflict. now exactly what recourse do people have against the maxxed out sorcerer with custom magick, fortress tucked away in an area only accessible by magick, that runs around flying and invis all the time and uses info gathered while logged in as his staff alt? jack shit. I'm trying to find the quote from GDB from a few years ago where players came out with all the bullshit anecdotes but GDB seems to be down now so I'll edit this later. |
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Post by jcarter on Dec 3, 2015 9:16:13 GMT -5
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Post by RogueRougeRanger on Dec 3, 2015 9:21:20 GMT -5
I can understand that, but I guess anything less then a staff avatar would never be given that much agency. Still some of the details surrounding the plainsman seems actually interesting, which is sad that players felt robbed by staff cheating. I dunno, perhaps I experienced too much melodrama in the clan hall over who fucked who that a plot that seems deadly, fun, exciting, deviling into the nature of magick it self seems vastly preferable then easy mud sex and cheap PKs. Of course my experiences are my experiences as far as I know cool shit still happening far remove from my scummy ass. I don't have a lot of details that surrounding Hasan's work/group, just bits and pieces I managed to pick up, that sounds the closest to the more intriguing stuff I like about arm in recent history. Although I will admit, the night of riots and looting was strangely entertaining. so my issue with the Plainsman debacle (and take it with a grain of salt because everything I know about it has been hearing second hand/third hand) is that it was centered around Halaster's character. Plainsman didn't exist to attract players and make things fun for them, he existed for Halaster to curbstomp players. Look at how Plainsman did things - by himself. Wanted you dead? He did it. Needed something? Got it himself, or brought people along to forage it (as mentioned) and killed them. compare that to RRR's Tuluk tattoo bounty: The last straw for my interest was when I was told OOC’ly that my templar Htaniya had to cancel her bounty on Tuluki tattoos because it might lead to killing Tuluki PCs. So I stored her in November 2014, as soon as I could without reneging on my RPT obligations (which were sizeable as it turned out), and I haven’t had a taste for playing since. I’m coming out now on the Shadow Board after having been encouraged by friends to share my story, after hearing about Kronibas’s coming out, and now finally after the recent announcement that Tuluk is being removed from the game. It turns out my fun little Tuluki bounties were unceremoniously squelched for exactly nothing, because Tuluk will soon have zero PCs. that's a leader getting people involved in the game and using their position to make things fun for people. And if Tuluk doesn't like it? They could send any one of those ~amazing assassins~ down to handle business. it opens up things on both sides for play, interaction, and conflict. now exactly what recourse do people have against the maxxed out sorcerer with custom magick, fortress tucked away in an area only accessible by magick, that runs around flying and invis all the time and uses info gathered while logged in as his staff alt? jack shit. I'm trying to find the quote from GDB from a few years ago where players came out with all the bullshit anecdotes but GDB seems to be down now so I'll edit this later. +1000. I never liked Halaster's Plainsman stuff or Bhagharva's White Rantarri stuff for exactly the reasons you mention. I just want the players to be able to play within the scope of the IC world. The staff gets in the way of the players doing that if they support the current Culture of Limitation, but they also squelched players when they used their untouchable superpowered multiplayed PCs to make the game revolved around them. Plainsman and White Rantarri are only single examples for Halaster and Bhagharva, they both had other egregious examples. |
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