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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 15:36:32 GMT -5
I'll start.
1. Two words: Urine Moose. there's no way I'll roll up a PC under his administration, and he's admin of the tribals. so: no.
2. Rath is great. but the wording screams light show.
Players are the actors not the audience. not sure when staff will get that figured out.
but at least it's... something rather than nothing?
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Post by dcdc on Nov 10, 2015 15:58:06 GMT -5
Would play tribal in The Tablelands...
Keeps getting ganked by bored D-elves.
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Post by my2sids on Nov 10, 2015 16:21:14 GMT -5
Having recently played under Rath and Mordigg I can speak to the cooperative nature of their staffing. It was a lot of fun. I don't play regularly enough to properly enjoy my iso role there though, so I moved on. It was great. I'm a little sad to be missing out in what they have planned. I have a pretty good idea and it will probably be awesome.
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Post by delerak on Nov 10, 2015 16:21:47 GMT -5
Too little too late. All that time spent writing up that post for a couple tribal roles? When will they realize that players want red robes, they want to be captains and generals of armies. Yeah it's a cool sounding role but why anyone would subject themselves to that kind of flavor role is beyond me. You'll have no one to play with. You'll literally just be self roleplaying or playing with whoever you can try to find while seeing a few staff echoes here and there about how the shadows dance across the oasis.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 16:24:35 GMT -5
I would rather play that kind of flavor role than a red robe or a general. Different strokes, I suppose. (I do wish PC red robes and generals existed as much as the next guy does.)
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Post by my2sids on Nov 10, 2015 16:28:45 GMT -5
Too little too late. All that time spent writing up that post for a couple tribal roles? When will they realize that players want red robes, they want to be captains and generals of armies. Yeah it's a cool sounding role but why anyone would subject themselves to that kind of flavor role is beyond me. You'll have no one to play with. You'll literally just be self roleplaying or playing with whoever you can try to find while seeing a few staff echoes here and there about how the shadows dance across the oasis. I had this discussion with Rath and he understands that tribals and the T Lands are flavor roles. It's impossible with the population to achieve a functional or grand dynamic in that area unless there's a ton of apps. People would rather play indie tribals than play in tribal humans, despite the amazing amount of love they've been given these past couple years. Docs have gone from 1 paragraph to 6000+ words. Players just don't want to play restrictive roles like tribal humans. Or when they do they still prefer to hang out in cities and have city boyfriends then get butthurt about being told not to do that. It's a great area of the game. It's fun. It just lacks players who can grasp the tribal place as it should exist in accordance with canon. Edit: Oh. I suggested they do a role call but for mundanes a while back... hmmm.... Cool to see they're trying to get this plot going. I hope to be peripherally involved with my new PC, and kind of bummed that I'm not in that clan anymore. Have fun, whoever gets it!
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Post by RogueRougeRanger on Nov 10, 2015 17:17:09 GMT -5
I'll start. 1. Two words: Urine Moose. there's no way I'll roll up a PC under his administration, and he's admin of the tribals. so: no. 2. Rath is great. but the wording screams light show. Players are the actors not the audience. not sure when staff will get that figured out.but at least it's... something rather than nothing? This is worth repeating.
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Post by delerak on Nov 10, 2015 17:57:31 GMT -5
I never said people want to be given those roles. They aspire to them. I have always had a desire to play a templar until I found out that they can't advance. Fuck that. My character has aspirations, has drive, willpower, yet I as the player no matter how hard I try will never be able to go above a certain rank. It's maddening and I'm sure many players leave because of it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 18:01:36 GMT -5
They can become red robes but then they store. But yeah, people want the trappings of the role. People also want to role play with red robe and other high end characters because it gives the world more character.
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Post by delerak on Nov 10, 2015 18:11:58 GMT -5
I get that they can "make the rank" and store but that exactly is my point. We don't watch movies because we want to see random soldier #4 fight his way thru the punic wars in the roman empire. We watch them for Spartacus, for Julius Caesar and Maximus Decimus Meridius ( god I love that name). So yeah unfortunately for Arm myself (and many others) are not okay with being random soldier x dying on Byn suicide mission #6
but you all enjoy.
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Post by sirra on Nov 10, 2015 20:34:48 GMT -5
I'll start. 1. Two words: Urine Moose. there's no way I'll roll up a PC under his administration, and he's admin of the tribals. so: no. 2. Rath is great. but the wording screams light show. Players are the actors not the audience. not sure when staff will get that figured out. but at least it's... something rather than nothing? This is a PERFECT example of where Armageddon staff so consistently goes wrong. They have always treated the players as the audience, and never as the real, driving force of the game an what makes it fun. And also, Rath is just more of the same. If anyone thinks that Nyr's temporary replacement isn't going to be someone that shares most of his ideas and philosophies...then you haven't had much experience in organizational nepotism. People simply project their 'hopes' onto Rath, because they don't know him very well. Or because he hasn't had to be the one taking point on unpopular initiatives in the past. But let's just be assured, that given what we know about Nyr and Nessalin...a 'principled opposition' is not a respected concept in the Armageddon staffing hierarchy. Rath really should change his GDB name to Medvedev.
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Post by sirra on Nov 10, 2015 20:39:12 GMT -5
Too little too late. All that time spent writing up that post for a couple tribal roles? When will they realize that players want red robes, they want to be captains and generals of armies. Yeah it's a cool sounding role but why anyone would subject themselves to that kind of flavor role is beyond me. You'll have no one to play with. You'll literally just be self roleplaying or playing with whoever you can try to find while seeing a few staff echoes here and there about how the shadows dance across the oasis. I had this discussion with Rath and he understands that tribals and the T Lands are flavor roles. It's impossible with the population to achieve a functional or grand dynamic in that area unless there's a ton of apps. People would rather play indie tribals than play in tribal humans, despite the amazing amount of love they've been given these past couple years. Docs have gone from 1 paragraph to 6000+ words. Players just don't want to play restrictive roles like tribal humans. Or when they do they still prefer to hang out in cities and have city boyfriends then get butthurt about being told not to do that. It's a great area of the game. It's fun. It just lacks players who can grasp the tribal place as it should exist in accordance with canon. Edit: Oh. I suggested they do a role call but for mundanes a while back... hmmm.... Cool to see they're trying to get this plot going. I hope to be peripherally involved with my new PC, and kind of bummed that I'm not in that clan anymore. Have fun, whoever gets it! You know well enough that it is perfectly possible to achieve a real dynamic in the tablelands. It's been shut down in the past rather aggressively. The Red Fangs, Dune Stalkers, past human tribals, Blackwing, the Soh. There's been plenty of peaks in the past decade+ where there were more players in the tablelands than Allanak. Things eventually got whittled down to just the Sun Runners, and the Soh who were turned into the Desert Elf version of the Byn. There's A LOT that could be done to make the tablelands a happening place. It's been done before and in recent memory. It's unfortunate that you're indulging Rath in his delusions. If the tablelands is boring and only around for flavor these days, it's because staff aggressively engineered that outcome.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 20:41:24 GMT -5
oh, and let's not forget in all this mess: they kinda-sorta-maybe closed down a clan. yeah! (it depends on how you read the whole merger shit with the alseik and arabet. of course, nobody gives a shit about either on their own, so woooooptidoo.)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 21:57:57 GMT -5
This would be great if the rest of the game was in good shape. A healthy Allanak is so much more important than a good Tablelands plot, though. That's what they should be focusing on. Events in remote areas with few players can never be a priority when there's a severe need for administrative attention in the place where almost everyone is.
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Post by delerak on Nov 10, 2015 22:11:06 GMT -5
This would be great if the rest of the game was in good shape. A healthy Allanak is so much more important than a good Tablelands plot, though. That's what they should be focusing on. Events in remote areas with few players can never be a priority when there's a severe need for administrative attention in the place where almost everyone is. Right? I mean this is common sense isn't it? Gah I'm just really flabbergasted. Why not run something in the city-state? Want to include your little pet tribal clan, fine but don't force that into the equation. It just seems so scripted. I'm sure they have it all written down, scripted out how it is going to go down and everything and that is really what is the most disenchanting thing to me about the whole game. I feel sorry for the two people that get to play a part in this grand tablelands plot as random guy #2 and #3
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