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Post by grumble on Nov 4, 2015 20:01:12 GMT -5
Also, Sirra, I made sure to QFT Old Kank again, so it won't get buried. If I see more LALALALALA NOTHING'S WRONG STAFF IS GREAT STOP COMPLAINING! I'll post it again, in the same fashion. Old Kank's post is fair, valid, and even-tempered. I think we could all do well to observe his notions of what a player should do.
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Post by mood on Nov 4, 2015 20:02:59 GMT -5
you can't really compare hellmoo with arm, hateful badmins are a cultural cornerstone of Goone Games.
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Post by grumble on Nov 4, 2015 20:03:01 GMT -5
This is only human, it feels unfair to the person on the receiving end, whether justified or not, and is magnified by the veil of secrecy, which, in a game like this, is necessary. In a game where there is significant emotional investment... this can cause a good deal more frustration in players with a lower tolerance (usually newer) and inspire them to find something else to do, or, in the event something seemingly more unfair happens, even a well adjusted player, even a stoic player may choose to move on. Not surprisingly, some people take issue with others wielding power, authority, secrecy, and judgement over them. It doesn't matter how noble the intentions are, or the direct form it takes (I'm convinced some of the account note vitriol is just a proxy for a general sense of resentment), it's going to ruffle some feathers. Whether or not this is finally a problem worth addressing is up to the staff, but I'd say it is. I don't think the staff are doomed when it comes to this problem, but it may take a pretty big cultural shift.
- Understand that when players get upset about stuff, it's probably because they're passionate about this game, their character, or whatever. Try and channel that passion, rather than shoot it down with style and sarcasm.
- Most staff should focus more on facilitating, less on enforcement. Code, and tell stories.
- Get out of the business of RP critiquing entirely. We can do workshops on the GDB or in special in-game sessions if people feel really strongly about wanting feedback.
- Account and player notes should be based exclusively on objective data.
- Set up a thorough enforcement policy for offenses that steps outside the veil of staff-player secrecy and empowers players. Set up a system of warnings that ranges from, "We noticed something fishy; feel free to submit an explanation to your clan staff," to "This is your third and final warning, if this behavior continues, a formal complaint will be sent to Nyr and the enforcement team." If you're going to accuse someone of doing something wrong, you have to bring them into the conversation as an equal partner. Do it person to person, not player to great and powerful Oz. Do it on Teamspeak, or Skype if desired. Include an appeals process, and an option for impartial third party mediation, not a peer, friend, and co-volunteer of the great and powerful Oz.
- Engage with players differently, enable players to assist with the game in ways that share the workload. Minimize the distinction between player and staff and give players the benefit of the doubt based on their experience and participation. How about: player, volunteer, assistant, builder, legend, storyteller, administrator, producer
- Promote staff and player engagement outside of clan management. How about regular clan staff-player meetings, just to shoot the shit during the World Series, or to talk about different aspects of the clan on an OOC basis?
Players, too, have to alter their ways some.
- Let go of the past
- Stop trying to get the last word in in request and GDB exchanges. Make your case, respond one time if clarification is needed, then let it go. Seriously, chill.
- I'm sure there's more, I may ninja edit them when I have more time.
Oldkank QFT.
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Post by mood on Nov 4, 2015 20:03:38 GMT -5
do you... do you have stairs in your house, grumble???
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Post by grumble on Nov 4, 2015 20:06:01 GMT -5
Yeah, I know, they're not comparable, but I've seen some near-meltdowns on other muds too...
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Post by grumble on Nov 4, 2015 20:07:06 GMT -5
I'm sorry, Mood, I have no need to be protected from the terrible secret of space right now.
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Post by sirra on Nov 4, 2015 20:12:11 GMT -5
Also, I've heard positive reviews from those who have had him as clan staff; they say he's really good about working with players in a positive way to help them achieve their goals, which is really all I ask for in clan staff. I can see why someone might be put off by the way he so cheerfully defends staff actions on the GDB, but c'mon, he's no Nyr. nyr was a pretty responsive/good st as well when he started, from my memories with salarr. then he killed the expansion division and for that i will never forgive him A lot of people are going to be disappointed when they realize that Nyr stepping down from being a producer won't actually change much. I've always maintained on this board Armageddon's troubles were more systemic and organizational in nature, than could be laid at the feet of any single individual.
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Post by grumble on Nov 4, 2015 20:21:18 GMT -5
But, Morrdigian is no bad guy, no boogeyman... he's just struggling to do the best he can with issues he inherited upon taking the position.
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Post by sirra on Nov 4, 2015 20:22:22 GMT -5
But, Morrdigian is no bad guy, no boogeyman... he's just struggling to do the best he can with issues he inherited upon taking the position. He's just the product of his environment.
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Post by mood on Nov 4, 2015 20:24:24 GMT -5
it's almost as if there's no such thing as good people or bad people, that we are all products of determinism, and that
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Post by grumble on Nov 4, 2015 20:31:12 GMT -5
I am determined to produce mudsex. Bend over.
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Post by topkekm8s on Nov 5, 2015 11:02:15 GMT -5
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Post by jkarr on Nov 5, 2015 19:16:31 GMT -5
lmfao @ badskeelz pathetic 3-minute-old ass trying to grab whatever straw he can to try and lecture his superior
dude must be an anteater, never seen anyones nose shoved so far up staffs ass #redshirt4brownpants
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