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Post by jimmyhoffa on Oct 27, 2015 19:07:57 GMT -5
nyr is a symptom of the problem -- tone-deaf administration that's turned what should be a fun hobby into the internet DMV for both players and storytellers Bring back the age of wonder/fantasy I loved the days when sorcerers roamed and ghouls controlled by Nilz lurked in the shadows, I didn't even mind the vampires.
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Post by grumble on Oct 28, 2015 0:07:16 GMT -5
i frekwently tel neer wat iz on mai mynd. hii respondz wit a fuk u, tehn I luk ovur teh shadowbordz 2 fynd owt hoo hez animatyng n kyl tehm, in teh midul of a kwest givyng spiech. tihs is y hez pissy. sry neer no kalanz 4 u. kwest faled.
r im jsut plaing sum dum mersenaree hoo dusunt giv 2 shitz abowt ur kland pc. r wat iz rong with armugedun. u al komplane 2 much.
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Post by delerak on Oct 30, 2015 0:37:51 GMT -5
Arm really needs a re-branding if anything. Just like any company when things are going bad you gut the leadership and start fresh or perish. Unfortunately the current leadership seems to be willing to "go down with the ship" so to speak. Nessalin's resurgence is probably doing harm than good considering I fair bit of older players have had run-ins with him back in the 90s when he was more active.
I daresay a lot of the current problems can be traced to Sanveans departure, I think she was great at handling community relations.
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Post by grumble on Nov 1, 2015 17:22:40 GMT -5
A list of my requests before I'll return to playing: 1) Unban all players 2) Restore karma of players. Dock if abused, but not just because you don't consistently understand their interactions. Karma simply not being awarded or even docked should not be a method of punishment for anything other than abusing karma. 3) Encourage getting beyond the "no" culture and allow people to interact with and change the world with reasonable effort. 4) Encourage staff to be less penalizing on karma requests. If a person fulfils the criteria of the next karma point, then grant it. Don't simply say no, or yank it because you either dislike or have difficulty understanding that player. 5) Encourage staff to be more friendly, encourage a culture more based on humility and understanding than we've seen evidence of in the past. 6) Encourage staff to make more positive account notes. I understand there will be negative ones, this is going to happen. What I'd like to see is more aknowledgement of the good in players, and not just the ones you like and/or are more compatible with. 7) Encourage players to stick to the documents, but don't make them quite as mandatory. Everyone's going to play a few snowflakes, I don't even see how this ended up becoming so reviled. 8) Look at ways the documents could be adjusted to encourage more interaction between players, rather than stifling. I already saw this done by the "slight" issue being retconned from the city elf documentation. 9) Be more encouraging to players who contribute to player run plots, or who drive them. These people will get people excited, doing things, and draw more people to the mud. 10) Please consider the quickstart guide and add helpfiles for the concepts contained therein, I have mentioned this several times, and I don't see why this can't be fixed, although, I suppose figuring out exactly how it should be worded may take a bit of thought.
And, much less important to me than the previous requests, I'd be super-fucking-happy with the above alone: 1) Please return not only my docked karma, but the one I was, just not granted. 2) Consider adjusting the tag-line to "Corruption, Betrayel, Murder.", as I think putting murder first sends kind of the wrong message to players. The others are also excellent forms of interaction, and not as impossible to adjust to suit future situations.
I gaurentee you if you do these things, staff, you will see numbers shoot up, quickly.
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Post by desertman on Nov 1, 2015 17:40:43 GMT -5
A list of my requests before I'll return to playing: 1) Unban all players 2) Restore karma of players. Dock if abused, but not just because you don't consistently understand their interactions. Karma simply not being awarded or even docked should not be a method of punishment for anything other than abusing karma. 3) Encourage getting beyond the "no" culture and allow people to interact with and change the world with reasonable effort. 4) Encourage staff to be less penalizing on karma requests. If a person fulfils the criteria of the next karma point, then grant it. Don't simply say no, or yank it because you either dislike or have difficulty understanding that player. 5) Encourage staff to be more friendly, encourage a culture more based on humility and understanding than we've seen evidence of in the past. 6) Encourage staff to make more positive account notes. I understand there will be negative ones, this is going to happen. What I'd like to see is more aknowledgement of the good in players, and not just the ones you like and/or are more compatible with. 7) Encourage players to stick to the documents, but don't make them quite as mandatory. Everyone's going to play a few snowflakes, I don't even see how this ended up becoming so reviled. 8) Look at ways the documents could be adjusted to encourage more interaction between players, rather than stifling. I already saw this done by the "slight" issue being retconned from the city elf documentation. 9) Be more encouraging to players who contribute to player run plots, or who drive them. These people will get people excited, doing things, and draw more people to the mud. 10) Please consider the quickstart guide and add helpfiles for the concepts contained therein, I have mentioned this several times, and I don't see why this can't be fixed, although, I suppose figuring out exactly how it should be worded may take a bit of thought. And, much less important to me than the previous requests, I'd be super-fucking-happy with the above alone: 1) Please return not only my docked karma, but the one I was, just not granted. 2) Consider adjusting the tag-line to "Corruption, Betrayel, Murder.", as I think putting murder first sends kind of the wrong message to players. The others are also excellent forms of interaction, and not as impossible to adjust to suit future situations. 3) Don't just discourage the players you don't like from vaguebooking on the GDB, include the ones you like as well. Whenever something comes up in the hatecycle that bears a slight resemblance to a PC I might have played or might be playing. It's discouraging to me, and to a newer player without as much resolve to make it work, it could be what stops them from playing. I gaurentee you if you do these things, staff, you will see numbers shoot up, quickly. 1) Not every player should be unbanned. There are people who have made actual threats to staffers and have tried to physically harm the foundation of the game. They should not be unbanned. Those are safety concerns. 2) Some people lost karma for very good reasons. I once watched someone OOC in game they actually used to play "so and so". That is something you should lose karma for, for example. Not a reasonable request. 3) They will say they are already doing this. This is an emotional suggestion and not a seriously quantifiable and measurable request. If you aren't already happy with this...you won't be no matter what. 4) See number 3. 5) See numbers 3 and 4. 6) See numbers 3, 4, and 5. 7) See 3 through 6. 8) You will need to list exact issues in the documentation and suggest your changes, otherwise this is again not a request but a vague suggestion left up to your emotional judgement in terms of if it is satisfactory. 9) See 3 through 7. 10) I recommend writing this up yourself and submitting it for review. Otherwise whatever they come up with you will have to be happy with, or not...and most likely you won't be because it won't be exactly what you want. 1) I don't know what you lost your karma for and what your karma was docked for. This might be reasonable. At least it is a direct measurable request. 2) Sure why not. 3) This seems like more or a desire to drop an insult than an actual request. I'm not sure if this is serious. I'm not trolling you. If you have real terms for returning I highly recommend you submit them to staff. However, I do highly recommend you ensure they are in no way based on your emotional satisfaction to the situation and are instead direct measurable and quantifiable actions with exact desired results for the game. Why? Because first, they won't take you seriously. Second, they -can't- make you happy. However, they might be able to reply to and possibly even adhere to requests that are specific tasks with no room for interpretation or results based on your feelings in regards to "how hard they are trying".
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Post by grumble on Nov 1, 2015 18:12:07 GMT -5
Well, I posted my last account notes. If you've played with any of those characters, sure, you know I can be somewhat erratic and unpredictable, but some people have really enjoyed playing with me, and I see that in the kudos I get sent. I don't see it in staff responses. Karma is a measure of "staff trust", we're told. I don't necessarily think that should be the case, as staff seem to only trust players they like, whether it's because those players tell them what they want to hear, or they've actually, you know, spent some time watching the player in a role for reasons other than looking for the first negative account note they can slap them with, or maybe they subscribe to similar viewpoints OOCly that line up with these staff members. I don't know, I can't say. That's not an accusation.
Not everything needs to be quantified. As I've stated before, I don't feel staff have treated me way too harshly, but I think others have experienced some situations where things have cropped up that I feel shouldn't have regarding other players. They aren't requirements, they are suggestions. If nothing gets better, I'm not going to play again. When I hear people saying, hey, these kinds of negative situations are happening with less and less frequencey, then I will say, cool, let me get back to my character.
I don't think karma should be awarded based on whether you're participating in staff's HRPTs and whatnot. I don't like this player, but he displays an understanding of magick and it's place in the gameworld, we can note that so when it comes up for review, we can do that. Oh, neat, this other player over here is assembling an indie crew to go out and greb, let's throw out some silly scenarios and see how they act. Note this player is displaying some leadership qualities. Great, we need more of those.
In short, the criteria for the next point, SHOULD be what's considered. Unless the player is like, the worst twink-killer ever who doesn't afraid of anything, it should at least be considered. I think the worst things in my account notes were like, spam-crafting and using the funds with the intention of building an empire, and what, mudsex? Really. Well, humph. They're likely worse now.
I'll agree, on the first one, maybe, depends on how long ago it was. I won't agree on the second. I don't think it was appropriate for the player to OOCly communicate that information, but a staff-member should have sent, excuse me, but we've noticed you recently OOC'd this, and we'd like you to note that it's not appropriate to tell other players who you used to play. 3-9 I'll have to say, you're coming off as a bit analytical there and it's kind of patronizing to take your preferred method of communication and act like it completely invalidates mine because everyone has to think and communicate like you, but, it is what people have a tendency to do, I happen to be an NF, if you happen to be an NT, that's great and all but I simply cannot force my perspective into your box. It does not mean my point is invalid, there is meaning there, just because it can be handwaved and dismissed because it can't be quantified doesn't make it any less of a concern, it simply makes it unquantifiable. This is the exact issue I was having with my communications with staff, perhaps you are predicting how they would react if I sent them that, in which case, thanks.
What would you request?
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Post by latrineswimmer on Nov 1, 2015 18:19:42 GMT -5
Every pc of yours is a breed man. . You will be back.
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Post by grumble on Nov 1, 2015 18:46:45 GMT -5
As far as the second list, those are actually more minor concerns of mine. I would like my karma back, sure, but my 1 point karma loss is NOTHING like what I've seen them do to far better players than I. I really don't give a damn about karma all that much, it's more, to me, a gauge of, hey man, your continued contributions to the game are appreciated, and we've noticed them. The third point, is, kind of more serious. When I first started playing, I recall a few long-time board members always seemed to be complaining on the GDB about my characters, or maybe they were complaining about other characters and mine just happened to have one of the traits described. I really didn't like that because it set a negative tone for the community, the /game/ is supposed to be harsh, I can dig it. The community could ease up a little bit. But, I'll remove it from my list, sounds like a solid suggestion.
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Post by picklehead on Nov 1, 2015 19:52:04 GMT -5
Grumble, before your time a couple Israeli players hacked the game and caused some issues. They should not be reinstated. They caused the game to go down for a good six months, if I recall.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2015 20:03:53 GMT -5
It's all kinda irrelevant. There was a ban amnesty a year ago, or therebouts. So the only ones banned are the ones who got banned since then.
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Post by latrineswimmer on Nov 1, 2015 20:03:56 GMT -5
Tbh Mal was amazing and did more for the Rinth in terms of usable gear than any pc I can think of. Kudos for Mal. Many of your pcs do have similarities in erratic behavior. For sure.
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Post by sirra on Nov 1, 2015 20:47:05 GMT -5
1) Not every player should be unbanned. There are people who have made actual threats to staffers and have tried to physically harm the foundation of the game. They should not be unbanned. Those are safety concerns. I wouldn't be entirely inconsolable if a crazy Israeli guy tracked Nyr or Nessalin down and beat and/or raped them (I'm referring to their PCs, of course). I say, open the floodgates.
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Post by latrineswimmer on Nov 1, 2015 20:51:04 GMT -5
That is a retarded thing to say over an internet game and invalidates actual arguments and discussion. Fuck you.
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Post by sirra on Nov 1, 2015 20:55:20 GMT -5
That is a retarded thing to say over an internet game and invalidates actual arguments and discussion. Fuck you. Blow me. You act like a bunch've cocksuckers in an anonymous environment, you're going to get a crazy every now and then that makes anonymous threats at you. I couldn't begin to give a shit about the whole 'oh noez, a staffer was threatened' angle. It's the same reason I don't care if one of the Kardashians or Paris Hilton gets stalked by some dude who ends up naked on meth in their swimming pool. Maybe it's because you're putting yourself out there to be as aggravating and annoying as possible, where anyone can witness it and lash back.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2015 20:58:02 GMT -5
Uhh, yeah. Sirra. What the fuck?
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