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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 11:30:25 GMT -5
What's bullshit is how long it went on and how many folks were complicit in its continuation. Not only Nyr, but those who supported him and would not tell him when he was wrong... are the reason why the playerbase really got its ass kicked.
I doubt some people will ever come back, no thanks to people like you, ghaati, who like many others propped up the toilet of those who were shitting ALL OVER this game and every player who rubbed them the wrong way.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: if you want people to keep playing a game, don't act condescendingly toward them, treat them like moronic white trash, or otherwise be a jerk.
Yes, it was only a minority of staff who acted this way. Yes, they did drive away good players, which had a ripple effect.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 11:38:56 GMT -5
noooooooooooooooo it doesn't. nyr was a necessary condition, not a sufficient condition, ghaatfly. there are still plenty of bums in the bush. and even so, that's still 25 players.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 11:45:22 GMT -5
So what does it mean now that it's back to 209? Does it mean that people returned to test the waters, realized Nyr wasn't the cause of the problem, and slinked back away? Cause that'd mean a lot of people here were wrong in blaming the game's ills on Nyr's active participation and insisting that the problems would resolve if he left. Any one problem or person doesnt just drive people away or open the door for the player to come back. Whether you call Arm a hobby, addition, or love affair, the actions of an admin can sour people on the relationship to the game. That isnt as easily healed, but when any of these people come back, they inevitably poke their friends about coming back too. Nyr's leaving (or laying low) will take longer to evaluate. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 12:20:36 GMT -5
You should stop listening to Scrooge and the autistic chart posse and jump back into the game. All of you. Hell, even that guy.
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Post by punished ppurg on Dec 11, 2015 13:11:03 GMT -5
You really believe we thought Nyr leaving would have solved all the problems in the game?
Let me put it to you this way... Pharoah has been dead for a long time, but the pyramids are still around. What's made has to be un-made, and it can only be fixed if people who want better are able to do so.
There has been a construction of precedent, hidden rules, and bad blood that will take years of good administration to repair; that is, if he doesn't come back. If he does, it's back to square one.
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Post by jcarter on Dec 11, 2015 15:02:46 GMT -5
So what does it mean now that it's back to 209? Does it mean that people returned to test the waters, realized Nyr wasn't the cause of the problem, and slinked back away? Cause that'd mean a lot of people here were wrong in blaming the game's ills on Nyr's active participation and insisting that the problems would resolve if he left. what a beautiful strawman |
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Post by jesantu on Dec 11, 2015 18:59:58 GMT -5
So what does it mean now that it's back to 209? Does it mean that people returned to test the waters, realized Nyr wasn't the cause of the problem, and slinked back away? Cause that'd mean a lot of people here were wrong in blaming the game's ills on Nyr's active participation and insisting that the problems would resolve if he left. It doesn't matter if nyr was really to blame for anything at all or if he was merely a scapegoat. You do not earn a reputation as awful as his without doing something wrong, somewhere. Not even a classic contrarian such as yourself can dare to try and say nyr was a polite poster who always had respect and decency for fellow players close to heart. These were not only not his defining qualities, he was the very antithesis of these things. In other words, he was so dickheaded to others that he carved his own reputation....and in so doing became the blame for all of arm's ills (even if it's not his fault at all). I don't have sympathy for such people nor am I eager to leap to their defence when accused of something they did not do. |
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Post by jkarr on Dec 11, 2015 19:39:44 GMT -5
I don't have sympathy for such people nor am I eager to leap to their defence when accused of something they did not do. and he only has himself to blame for that |
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Post by BitterFlashback on Dec 11, 2015 20:49:57 GMT -5
So what does it mean now that it's back to 209? Does it mean that people returned to test the waters, realized Nyr wasn't the cause of the problem, and slinked back away? Cause that'd mean a lot of people here were wrong in blaming the game's ills on Nyr's active participation and insisting that the problems would resolve if he left. what a beautiful strawman I particularly like the lazy trolling of reusing a strawman argument that was already debunked the two times before @ghaati repeated it. I chalk it up to having ever-declining interest in continuing to be a contrarian but still wanting to take an occasional shit in public. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 21:51:27 GMT -5
 Week 42: 197. Week 43: 184. Week 44: 207. Week 45: 231. Week 46: 220. Week 47: 229. Week 48: 225. Week 49: 209. Week 50: 223. and with that things are back to 2014 levels (whcih was an all time low). best of luck armageddon! |
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Post by king on Dec 14, 2015 23:09:26 GMT -5
dumb bitch, shut up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 0:26:25 GMT -5
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Post by mood on Dec 15, 2015 19:02:40 GMT -5
So what does it mean now that it's back to 209? Does it mean that people returned to test the waters, realized Nyr wasn't the cause of the problem, and slinked back away? Cause that'd mean a lot of people here were wrong in blaming the game's ills on Nyr's active participation and insisting that the problems would resolve if he left. what a beautiful strawman but seriously... don't do it again. |
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Post by mood on Dec 15, 2015 19:04:19 GMT -5
hey did u guys ever consider that maybe arm is dying because it is the year of our lord 2015? it's a fucking MUD for fuck's sake, it's not exactly a thriving niche of games.
nyr was problematic but arm's issues go much deeper.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Dec 15, 2015 19:28:29 GMT -5
Nah. Considering their massive turnover, it looks like there are a lot of people out there who would like to play a good MUD and are amazed to find the software stayed in the 1980s.
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