jkarr
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Post by jkarr on Jun 26, 2015 18:19:58 GMT -5
So what I'm seeing is they DO acknowledge mistakes and they will rez someone for making one. But is this only for sponsored roles? Now I'm wondering did they offer this kind of "Our bad" to the three recruits? (I doubt it) Maybe it's just me, but I feel minion or not, a player is still a player that deserves the same kind of treatment sponsored role or not. left field guess is they didnt peg him as a sponsoree who would bat for unsponsored newbie minions to get the same consideration |
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Asan
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Post by Asan on Jun 26, 2015 18:44:07 GMT -5
I'm not a sponsoree, though. Dannet joined as a recruit and made it to Sergeant organically.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 18:46:26 GMT -5
Don't think that sponsored roles are always treated well, either. And just because you were being treated well one moment, doesn't mean they can't turn the tables the next. Not to change the subject or anything.
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Post by sirra on Jun 26, 2015 18:46:26 GMT -5
So what I'm seeing is they DO acknowledge mistakes and they will rez someone for making one. But is this only for sponsored roles? Now I'm wondering did they offer this kind of "Our bad" to the three recruits? (I doubt it) Maybe it's just me, but I feel minion or not, a player is still a player that deserves the same kind of treatment sponsored role or not. If anything, newbies deserve even better treatment than sponsored roles, since they are the most helpless among us, but this being Armageddon, mostly all they get is a good ass fucking. |
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Post by lyse on Jun 26, 2015 18:47:00 GMT -5
I'm not a sponsoree, though. Dannet joined as a recruit and made it to Sergeant organically. I think he meant in the sense that a leadership position like sergeant is technically a sponsored role. |
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Post by amateureschatologist on Jun 26, 2015 18:51:24 GMT -5
So what I'm seeing is they DO acknowledge mistakes and they will rez someone for making one. But is this only for sponsored roles? Now I'm wondering did they offer this kind of "Our bad" to the three recruits? (I doubt it) Maybe it's just me, but I feel minion or not, a player is still a player that deserves the same kind of treatment sponsored role or not. If anything, newbies deserve even better treatment than sponsored roles, since they are the most helpless among us, but this being Armageddon, mostly all they get is a good ass fucking. I've seen people on the GDB argue that it's a good thing for newbies to get screwed over (ICly and OOCly) because it teaches them what the game is like. Which is just the worst. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 18:59:41 GMT -5
An Imm's strength by default is set to ... 1000, if I recall correctly. In other words, they could kill you with a fruit if they toss it at you. During RPTs, staff tends to jump from npc to npc very very very very quickly. I've known staff who enacted scenes made out of 7 NPCs, they argued with each other, I think there was evew a fight, and they were all ran by 1 single person. Who was a really really really fast typer. It was a cool scene too.
Of course ... mistakes happen. Instead of getting out of one NPC and jumping into the next one, a staffer got out of an NPC and ... never got into the next one. So he tossed a blade and boom, mantis head. If he did jump into the next one, odds are it would've been some random nobody whose strength is 11 and who doesnt even have a throw skill. So the knife would fly in and fall to the ground. It was just a little funny whimsical color to the scene, but sometimes mistakes happen.
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Post by sirra on Jun 26, 2015 19:05:43 GMT -5
If anything, newbies deserve even better treatment than sponsored roles, since they are the most helpless among us, but this being Armageddon, mostly all they get is a good ass fucking. I've seen people on the GDB argue that it's a good thing for newbies to get screwed over (ICly and OOCly) because it teaches them what the game is like. Which is just the worst. My priest said the same thing. |
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Post by lyse on Jun 26, 2015 19:07:20 GMT -5
If anything, newbies deserve even better treatment than sponsored roles, since they are the most helpless among us, but this being Armageddon, mostly all they get is a good ass fucking. I've seen people on the GDB argue that it's a good thing for newbies to get screwed over (ICly and OOCly) because it teaches them what the game is like. Which is just the worst. You mean it conditions them to accept bullshit....if they stick around. It takes a special kind of person to get shitted on time and time again and ask for more in hopes of getting thrown a crumb someday. Let's face it, most of us are adults in the late 20's to mid 40's range. Somewhere in there should be a gimme that we're adults and should be treated like reasonably intelligent, functional people should apply to player/staff interactions and requests. PS, most GDB'ers are mouth-breathers. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 19:13:12 GMT -5
An Imm's strength by default is set to ... 1000, if I recall correctly. In other words, they could kill you with a fruit if they toss it at you. During RPTs, staff tends to jump from npc to npc very very very very quickly. I've known staff who enacted scenes made out of 7 NPCs, they argued with each other, I think there was evew a fight, and they were all ran by 1 single person. Who was a really really really fast typer. It was a cool scene too. Of course ... mistakes happen. Instead of getting out of one NPC and jumping into the next one, a staffer got out of an NPC and ... never got into the next one. So he tossed a blade and boom, mantis head. If he did jump into the next one, odds are it would've been some random nobody whose strength is 11 and who doesnt even have a throw skill. So the knife would fly in and fall to the ground. It was just a little funny whimsical color to the scene, but sometimes mistakes happen. And then not only did they acknowledge that they made a mistake, they apologized for it. Not just one staffer, but two. And that was before Asan ever sent a single request up for anything about the scene in question. They took it upon themselves to go to him and tell him they screwed up, apologized, and asked if he wanted a rezz. But that wasn't enough for him. It's almost as though he's /trying/ to be combative and confrontational, and if there is no problem, he creates one just so he can justify his righteous indignation. edited: Misspelled Asan. |
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Asan
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Post by Asan on Jun 26, 2015 19:24:35 GMT -5
I don't know if you ever have put any amount of value into your character, but I valued my character very much. I was very angry that this had happened to me, since, due to all of the vitriol on the GDB, I went and assumed that this was due to my arresting of that Tuluki. For the record, the actual staff member who made the mistake never apologized to me, and proxy apologies aren't something that I was used to accepting or allowing, back in my administrative environment.
You've already made it clear that you don't value your character, or the characters of other players. You're projecting your own spite onto me, and I don't appreciate it.
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Post by lyse on Jun 26, 2015 19:29:10 GMT -5
I don't know if you ever have put any amount of value into your character, but I valued my character very much. I was very angry that this had happened to me, since, due to all of the vitriol on the GDB, I went and assumed that this was due to my arresting of that Tuluki. For the record, the actual staff member who made the mistake never apologized to me, and proxy apologies aren't something that I was used to accepting or allowing, back in my administrative environment. You've already made it clear that you don't value your character, or the characters of other players. You're projecting your own spite onto me, and I don't appreciate it. I think he was being sarcastic...wasn't he? |
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Post by amateureschatologist on Jun 26, 2015 20:21:42 GMT -5
I've seen people on the GDB argue that it's a good thing for newbies to get screwed over (ICly and OOCly) because it teaches them what the game is like. Which is just the worst. You mean it conditions them to accept bullshit....if they stick around. It takes a special kind of person to get shitted on time and time again and ask for more in hopes of getting thrown a crumb someday. Let's face it, most of us are adults in the late 20's to mid 40's range. Somewhere in there should be a gimme that we're adults and should be treated like reasonably intelligent, functional people should apply to player/staff interactions and requests. PS, most GDB'ers are mouth-breathers. It's a very consciously "old school" way of thinking, which is to say that it's not actually "old school" but romanticizes some idea of "earning your fun." I'd actually really like to play Armageddon again. But I'm a grown-up now and I have a job and something resembling a social life. I have no interest in playing for days worth of active playtime just to "earn my fun" before inevitably getting slapped down by staff because I didn't do what they expected me to or because I wasn't sufficiently deferential. If they're going to ask players to invest that much time into something, they really have to make it worth it, and they're just not anymore. |
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Asan
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Post by Asan on Jun 26, 2015 22:13:12 GMT -5
The response to my complaint:
Absolutely no recognition or tangible response to my complaint. Based on this, and Adhira's response to my complaint a month ago, I can just assume she's some transient being that logs on every four or five days to rubber-stamp whatever Nyr has deemed to be.
There's really just no accountability for these Producers, or anyone.
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Post by Amos's Boots on Jun 26, 2015 22:30:27 GMT -5
The response to my complaint: Absolutely no recognition or tangible response to my complaint. Based on this, and Adhira's response to my complaint a month ago, I can just assume she's some transient being that logs on every four or five days to rubber-stamp whatever Nyr has deemed to be. There's really just no accountability for these Producers, or anyone. It seems to me at this point that Adhira is nothing more than an arbitrary, pretty face. Conforming to whatever ridiculous standard of treatment toward players that Nyr has developed over the years. At least Nathvaan shows players a basic level of respect. Nyr and Adhira, unfortunately, aren't necessary for the MUD to go on. They don't even know how to alter the code. They can't actually add or do anything of worth for the game (aside from events which are railroaded beyond human comprehension), and only ever remove things. And as proof of this, quite obvious proof at that, Nyr/Adhira have only ever been removing content from the game - Under tuluk. Tuluk. Probably a boat load of other things, that I haven't even been around for. All under the premise of improving roleplay and player interactions with one another. Quite honestly, Adhira is allowing Nyr and his minions (talia, for one (though she does go through requests like no other)) to run the game into the ground. Nathvaan and Adhira both need to convene with one another and finally rid us of Nyr. Reduce him to a storyteller until he straightens up his act. Being an aussie ginger doesn't give him the right to belittle players and do whatever he wants because he is an unpaid volunteer. In a sort of act of volunteering, I play the game. I play the game unpaid. In the very same sense, I too am an unpaid volunteer. What makes him so special? He is just some nerd that was probably bullied some time in the past, finally having enough power to bully other people. |
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