Jeshin
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Post by Jeshin on Jun 26, 2015 8:10:12 GMT -5
Quick Note
If it is inappropriate (and technically it is) to request a rez for another player than the staff response should have been...
"We do not discuss other player's situations with players. If/when they request a rez we will address the situation."
You see by engaging him with an explanation instead of a re-direction they basically validated the request and implied should circumstances have been different that the outcome could have resulted in a positive decision. If this was not the case they would have been better served by the ol' no discussion of request tool stuff evah. Sure it would have looked bad, but if the player went rogue and outed the logs I don't think anyone would have faulted them to adhering to stated policy.
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Post by amateureschatologist on Jun 26, 2015 8:13:01 GMT -5
To go off what RGS posted, whether a resurrection was warranted or not, the staff response to Asan was entirely unwarranted. They treated him like they were paying him to be there, not like they were volunteering to facilitate a text-based role-playing game. What the staff needs is someone who will at least try to mediate instead of resorting to "it doesn't matter if you like the explanation, it's still an explanation" and shutting down the conversation. I can't even really blame Asan for "baiting the staff" on the GDB. People like us who've been playing a good while, or people who've been reading this forum for a while, might know that Nyr would come down on you like a ton of bricks if you do that, but Asan might not have known just how thin-skinned Nyr is. It was a dumb thing to do, but Asan owned up to that, so hey. couple of take-away points 1)banning on GDB for 'baiting' is pretty fucking lol, Asan's comments were nothing compared to the shit Nyr regularly churns out -- see nyr's greatest hits thread for reference. I thought the best part of this was that the "baiting" comments were Nyr's own words. I like how Nyr finds that inflammatory when used by someone other than him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 8:25:11 GMT -5
You guys, imagine how staff feel right now. They're trying to run a plots and people aren't doing what they're supposed to be doing so most times the plots fall falt and don't work right. They don't have the players they need to even do what they want, they have to settle for substandard players who want to do their own thing and not follow their lead so the plot reaches it's logical conclusion. Now they have to find NEW players for the roles in the AoD to help flesh things out there and their work is being set back weeks or even months. Otherwise they'll just have to use VNPCs and NPCs to move the plots forward.
You're all just insensitive a-holes who don't even know what it's like to run Arm. I think you should just stop playing so you don't spoil it for the good players who know what they're doing.
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jkarr
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Post by jkarr on Jun 26, 2015 8:40:03 GMT -5
for the record this is talias idea of how u convey 'no intent to harm' when codedly subduing a templar pc in the middle of blue-on-blue riots:roflcopter tl;dr "animate a hg, emote like a dorf, wreck a saber unit on accident, lose players to save face" and u know the tree is being shook when they come on here themselves to do damage control lol what a bunch of clowns
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Post by lyse on Jun 26, 2015 9:28:23 GMT -5
And this folks is truly why they don't run plots like they used to. I bought into the whole "enough people aren't playing in clans" thing, but it seems like they just aren't able to run things in an engaging manner without shitting the bed. This was probably known.
I fall into the they should've been rezzed camp. Anan, bruh, I understand what you did and why. The only thing you shouldn't have done is make a stink about it on the gdb. I've seen characters get rezzed for less before this. Code ate them, that's the important thing to remember, that alone should make it rezz-worthy, it's that simple. The second layer to this is staff could've just been like "damn, our bad." rezzed them and no one would've batted an eye, but that would've implied there was something wrong with the code and it needs to be fixed.
And we're back full circle why people don't want anything to do with staff run things.
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Post by gloryhound on Jun 26, 2015 10:22:47 GMT -5
First I believe IMMs have every right to do whatever they want with the game, and surely one has every right swear and critize them about what they are doing. And thanks to this board, it can be done. It's a game, noone will burn himself if he is no longer allowed to play ARM. Really? What gives them that right? None of them (save Nessalin, who has mostly retired) were there when the initial creative effort was put into the making of the game. Most of them weren't there for a large part of the game's history. The game has been built up out of the collective effort of many people, and still is. They're just the stewards of it at the present time, not gods. Also, having the power does not give having the right. If you invite me to your house, and then start treating me like shit because you're "king of the castle", then you're an asshole, plain and simple as that. Sounds like you've never played a leader PC and spent months going through the process of trying to train up some recruits only to have most of them disappear or die in stupid ways, over and over. It becomes work after a while.
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Post by lyse on Jun 26, 2015 12:49:12 GMT -5
Not only that, but how hard it is to recruit players worth a damn in the first place, without the "What do I get if I join?" (you know what you're going to get) type RP.
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alleys
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Post by alleys on Jun 26, 2015 15:21:34 GMT -5
First I believe IMMs have every right to do whatever they want with the game, and surely one has every right swear and critize them about what they are doing. And thanks to this board, it can be done. It's a game, noone will burn himself if he is no longer allowed to play ARM. Really? What gives them that right? None of them (save Nessalin, who has mostly retired) were there when the initial creative effort was put into the making of the game. Most of them weren't there for a large part of the game's history. The game has been built up out of the collective effort of many people, and still is. They're just the stewards of it at the present time, not gods. Also, having the power does not give having the right. If you invite me to your house, and then start treating me like shit because you're "king of the castle", then you're an asshole, plain and simple as that. Sounds like you've never played a leader PC and spent months going through the process of trying to train up some recruits only to have most of them disappear or die in stupid ways, over and over. It becomes work after a while. Hey, - I really do not want to play with words. Surely IMMs have total control over the game. So for all intents and purposes, they have every right about it. If I behave like "King of the castle", surely that would make me an asshole. And you could say "fuck you" and leave the house. - Actually I did. It has been some time, but I spent so much time for some of my PCs and their underlings. I guess that should not be like work. Or at least, that should be work you enjoy ever moment of it. Shit really happens after all. Player die or disappear. (I remember I especially feel uncomfortable of being in OOC communication with underlings.) In any case being emotional about characters is fun, but turning game matters into personal is not smart. After all underlings, your PCs may die(leave the game, etc.) so much stupid ways. At the end of the day, one should not feel depresed about a game. It should be fun. PS. Maybe I am not really very sympathetic to these foolish deaths and resurrection matter because of a recent experience of mine. Recently after some long-lived PCs fall into oblivion, I could not believe seeing PCs discussing the matter OOCly in game about asking IMMs for resurrection because the room description was not clear, they ride there by mistake, blah.. blah.. Maybe Mush is better choice for some players.
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Post by lyse on Jun 26, 2015 15:55:21 GMT -5
Not sure what that means and why "Go play a Mush" is always thrown out there as some kind of weird insult. That's another thing that should be fixed and rezz worthy IMO, nobody's playing a lemming and following someone off a cliff shouldn't be a thing.
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alleys
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Post by alleys on Jun 26, 2015 16:16:47 GMT -5
Surely, that was not my intention to insult someone. Mush are actually really fun, but they take huge amount of time and I prefer tabletop then Mush. It's stupid to follow people into some cliff, but every game has its limitations and those types of shits happen. What I don't like about the incident was, it was discussed with OOC command so easily.
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punished ppurg
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Post by punished ppurg on Jun 26, 2015 16:20:26 GMT -5
Lol, it's a "limitation" that I could fix today. In hours. And I don't have 4+ years experience with the Armcore.
Are you aware, there are already coded exits in-game that don't allow someone to follow you through? What sort of spooky limitation is stopping this from being applied to all rooms that lead to a fall? Or climbs, for that matter? Nothing.
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Post by lyse on Jun 26, 2015 16:53:08 GMT -5
Lol, it's a "limitation" that I could fix today. In hours. And I don't have 4+ years experience with the Armcore. Are you aware, there are already coded exits in-game that don't allow someone to follow you through? What sort of spooky limitation is stopping this from being applied to all rooms that lead to a fall? Or climbs, for that matter? Nothing. I realized a while back, one of Arm's biggest problems is the excuses people come up with for shit that happens on there, then the "carry on" thing that follows. Followed by the crazy pay-attention to what they're NOT saying double speak that staff does as a close second. Jist of staff muddled bullshit: "Sure, some dude that was on your side just killed you because it was an overpowered mob object because our crim-code has been broken for years. We aren't rezzing you, it's your fault." Arm playerbase: "Carry on!" Jist of staff muddled bullshit: "Sure, some dude just lead you off a cliff that you surely wouldn't have followed him off of because...self-preservation. We aren't rezzing you, it's his fault (even though we make rolecalls for leadership positions and accept people that don't know the game). Arm playerbase: "Carry On!" (We'll, laugh at silly mistakes characters make and won't do anything because well silly mistakes just don't get a pass!) This leads to the question: What is rez worthy? How come nobody's asking that?
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splugh
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Post by splugh on Jun 26, 2015 17:03:46 GMT -5
What is rez worthy:
Sponsored roles that some staff member has a plot wrapped around and cannot figure out how to go on with if that character dies
People the staff have decided they really like. Either through rp or ooc means
Staff avatars and former staff avatars.
Anyone been rezzed for any other reason?
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Asan
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Post by Asan on Jun 26, 2015 17:15:17 GMT -5
Once, Eurynomos threw a dagger at me from his staff avatar, while I was holding a Tuluki bard under arrest. I understood that Eury was a Northern team staff member (I guess in control of the bardic circle?) before Tuluk was closed, and I just assumed that he threw the dagger at me because I was screwing with one of his favorite characters some time after the event when I had digested it.
My logs of what happened. The dagger was thrown at me (an Allanaki Sergeant) from inside the Red's Retreat while I had a Tuluki refugee held under arrest. This all happened before the recruits were killed by the abortion of logic, which is part of the reason why I was so sore about it; I knew that staff could be reasonable when they wanted to be.
Now that I've aired my grievances with the staff, I can expect to never be treated with this sort of proper administration again.
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Post by lyse on Jun 26, 2015 18:11:17 GMT -5
So what I'm seeing is they DO acknowledge mistakes and they will rez someone for making one. But is this only for sponsored roles? Now I'm wondering did they offer this kind of "Our bad" to the three recruits? (I doubt it) Maybe it's just me, but I feel minion or not, a player is still a player that deserves the same kind of treatment sponsored role or not.
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