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Post by Asan on Jun 25, 2015 17:41:10 GMT -5
I'd also like to point out that the staff member who animated that half-giant soldier to arrest the Templar could have easily typed 'rebel arm of the dragon', and prevented this mishap. Regardless of orders from a Templar, attacking any Highborn or Templar is treason -- that is the standard on the AoD board, and the standard applied to PC soldiers. I'd also argue that the half-giant as a career soldier would have enough sense to know better, and refuse.
Once again, the staffers involved were ignorant of the read through players' eyes of the situation. If you want to do a "non-lethal" scene, don't have an entire balcony of nobles draw daggers on a PC Templar, and don't have soldiers killing each other in the streets. These all add to the valid assumption that this is a life-or-death scenario, and they should have known that the players were going to respond accordingly.
Edit: I'd also like to ask what happens to the squad of Marines who, after their Colonel is rushed and taken hostage by a rogue soldier, turns to the side and shoots / stabs with a bayonet to death three recruits. Especially since the rogue soldier is 2x taller and 10x bigger than the recruits. I'd like to ask if that's ever happened in reality, and what justification there is for it.
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Post by magickermarco on Jun 25, 2015 17:49:59 GMT -5
Yes I've had something added IG, but I can not say due to it would out me instantly. But around four or five years ago it was added, and still exists to this day.
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Post by sirra on Jun 25, 2015 17:51:31 GMT -5
I'd also like to point out that the staff member who animated that half-giant soldier to arrest the Templar could have easily typed 'rebel arm of the dragon', and prevented this mishap. Regardless of orders from a Templar, attacking any Highborn or Templar is treason -- that is the standard on the AoD board, and the standard applied to PC soldiers. I'd also argue that the half-giant as a career soldier would have enough sense to know better, and refuse. Exactly. He was being lazy, and when it turned into a disaster, evidently, his (or her) pride made it easier to blame the recruits. After all, what game needs newbies, amirite!?? |
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Post by splugh on Jun 25, 2015 17:55:21 GMT -5
Oh wow. This is...wow.
I'm going to be staff now:
We did something that was a mistake, which human beings do. But we refuse to admit we sort of messed up and work to make things okay with the players. Because we are so much better than you and you should just be pleased we took the time to type an email. So sorry you are right, but it doesn't matter. Because fuck you.
And that's how I read all of this.
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Post by Asan on Jun 25, 2015 17:59:07 GMT -5
If any player used their coded element of being a part of the Arm of the Dragon to attack a player Templar in order to avoid the organic and in-universe reaction from the world, they would be immediately cracked down upon. As soon as you wished up "Hey, I'm going to kill this Templar now", staff would boot you from the clan. However, staff doing this is perfectly okay in their eyes, and they continued to justify it in the face of my complaints.
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Post by jimmyhoffa on Jun 25, 2015 18:27:37 GMT -5
Ah, the time honored staff-player resentment over the total rejection of resurrection requests. Some things never change
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Post by gloryhound on Jun 25, 2015 18:31:57 GMT -5
Yes I've had something added IG, but I can not say due to it would out me instantly. But around four or five years ago it was added, and still exists to this day. If you were to ask for something similar now, how confident in success would you be? |
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Post by jimmyhoffa on Jun 25, 2015 18:39:56 GMT -5
My real thoughts are both sides are in the wrong. The player is newish and made some coded mistakes between templars/militia NPCs/recruits. The staff made some mistakes in blaming this player and banning and storing his character. It's their third character? They lost three recruits? Of COURSE they're going to be passionate and be angry.
I feel like this is the kind of situation where staff need to be the bigger person and gently guide the player away from the shitty outcome of what happened in character and explain what their next steps should be. Something along the lines of patting their head and saying "there, there, new player. Everything is going to be alright." Instead, the response from staff is more along the lines of "NO FUCK YOU DUMBASS PLAYER!"
It's times like these where I really miss our old Administrators. Sanvean and Raesanos would have handled something like this a million times better.
/rant
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 18:45:31 GMT -5
Rule 1, The staff are always right
Rule 2, Do not expect staff to expend any effort unless it is in anger or in defense of their social bonds
Rule 3, Do not expect staff to know the code, even if they are explicitly using that code in an rpt or animation
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 18:46:55 GMT -5
1. The crime code issues have existed for -years- and have been the subject of a lot of complaints (to my knowledge). The fact staff haven't tried to update the code, create tools to help in major events, or hand rez is concerning. Especially because I remember a day when Sinjinn of the Akai Sjir died due to player error and was rez'd in 15 minutes. When I put in a request asking why his case was specifically different than the dozens I'd seen prior I got told it simply was. Sinjinn was a former staff member. The usual rules did not apply. |
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Post by nyrsucks on Jun 25, 2015 19:02:15 GMT -5
The lengths to which staff apologists will go to in order to justify their actions would astonish me if I was not well accustomed to it. People are actually arguing that the recruits were in the wrong? They are saying they violated the crim code and they deserved to die because the NPC soldiers they were just fighting with decided now these recruits need to die because they attacked the guy -I- was just fighting? At best they would wait until later and for the templar who was in charge of them decided to do that. Why would anyone even bother to track them down and kill the recruits later? They attacked some soldiers. What about the piles of dead soldiers everywhere, fighting in the streets, Magick duels, and so on? Pretty sure no one would give two fucks to remember that some recruits fought to defend their templar against a soldier who put his hands on a templar. Might just be me.
Another thing which tickles me is how people think that players are not allowed to spread IC information because it will ruin plots. The real reason we are not allowed to share IC information is because it would become pretty clear, pretty fast that Staff are the ones unable to separate IC and OOC and generally mistreat the playerbase who actually try and have reasonable discourse with them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 19:39:37 GMT -5
Another one joins the flock. Another person chased off the game by Nyr and his gang of people who can't tolerate being questioned despite the fact that their actions are almost always questionable. Welcome to the shadow board.
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Post by amateureschatologist on Jun 25, 2015 19:47:58 GMT -5
Another thing which tickles me is how people think that players are not allowed to spread IC information because it will ruin plots. The real reason we are not allowed to share IC information is because it would become pretty clear, pretty fast that Staff are the ones unable to separate IC and OOC and generally mistreat the playerbase who actually try and have reasonable discourse with them. I mean, let's not pretend that nobody has ever used IC information to collaborate OOC and fuck people over, because it has absolutely happened. I'm not completely innocent myself. It's worth at least trying to control that kind of thing because it does suck to be on the receiving end of that. Staff, however, are magnificently incapable of separating IC and OOC. I think some of the higher-ups have this idea that the game has to be OOCly harsh as well as ICly harsh, which leads to ridiculous staff responses like the ones OP got. So I definitely agree with you there. Just once I'd like it if we had someone in charge of Armageddon who realizes it's a game and not, like, a corporation where we're all their insubordinate and ungrateful employees. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 19:50:56 GMT -5
PS: the user Reasonable is a staff member.
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Post by Amos's Boots on Jun 25, 2015 19:53:51 GMT -5
PS: the user Reasonable is a staff member. More specifically, Cav. Most likely. He also seems to be scared to make any sort of retort to the onslaught of his misinformed/misinforming post. |
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