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Post by lyse on Sept 28, 2015 20:53:04 GMT -5
I feel like I said many of the things you said a couple of times already. There wasn't anything to imply because I said them outright. You can quote me. I had to go back a few pages where my2sids was said to have Nyr's cock on his breath. I didn't say that and I can see that must've really hurt his feelings. I didn't say it's a debate forum, I said it was a discussion forum. Subtle difference, but an important distinction. I'm not trying to turn this into a royal rumble and I'm not trying to fight you. I did think it was funny the way you kind of jumped in there, so I ribbed you a little, because I thought it was a little odd. If that offended you, I apologize. I could point out the contradictions and all that stuff, but this has been super weird and very one sided. I somehow doubt you could point out any contradictions. It's been weird and one sided because you've got no substance and are just arguing to criticize anyone who doesn't agree with you or Oldtwink 100%. So yeah, it's one sided. It's just not coming from the side you're on. What is amusing is if you go back in this very thread and read the people's responses who you're arguing with now(Friday, me, Prince, even PurgPurgPurg)... Not a single one of us agree with what staff did to Asan. We all criticized them for it. But nope, we're definitely a bunch of bootlicking apologists. Prince even liked a bunch of your posts in this thread where you criticized staff, heh. I wish more people complained about the game like Bitter does. He does it right, even if I don't always agree with his more cynical disposition towards the game. Oh! You do know how to use the quote button. Your selective reading is amazing. So, if you can point out where I'm just arguing to criticize (whatever that means) I'd appreciate it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 21:17:37 GMT -5
Lyse: I guess I keep saying that we're both adults because I want to really drive home the point that I appreciate being talked to like an adult. It might also help if you also acted like one instead of slinging childish accusations around, but I'm willing to leave that unpleasantness behind from this point on. I don't think m2s came here just to be a "boot-licking staff apologist," but putting the fact that I know him and have spoken to him outside this board aside for a second, so what if a person did come here just to defend the staff? This board offers a lot of criticism of staff and the standard GDB shill, and actually having that sort of person here would offer the opportunity to debate instead of just having a bunch of people who agree with each other pat each other on the back. Lyse, you keep implying that what you're really saying is that no one is above criticism for their point of view and that this is a debate forum. If that's really your opinion, I absolutely agree with you. What I don't agree with is the notion that we should leap tooth and claw on those who express an opinion that's branded as "pro-staff" and accuse them of having "ginger cockbreath" or being a "staff apologist" or kissing ass for karma. To me that's as silly as those on the GDB that call us "that OTHER board" and behave as if they're going to catch the derelak pox if they so much as glance at a thread. I feel like I said many of the things you said a couple of times already. There wasn't anything to imply because I said them outright. You can quote me. I had to go back a few pages where my2sids was said to have Nyr's cock on his breath. I didn't say that and I can see that must've really hurt his feelings. I didn't say it's a debate forum, I said it was a discussion forum. Subtle difference, but an important distinction. I'm not trying to turn this into a royal rumble and I'm not trying to fight you. I did think it was funny the way you kind of jumped in there, so I ribbed you a little, because I thought it was a little odd. If that offended you, I apologize. I could point out the contradictions and all that stuff, but this has been super weird and very one sided. Lyse, I never meant to imply that you were the one that said that m2s had Nyr's cock on his breath, but the fact that you devalued my opinion ('well, you're just saying that because you're his girlfriend!') for suggesting that someone with a slightly more pro-staff bent might actually have something to contribute other than mindlessly praising Nyr made me think you were in that same camp. Sorry for beating a dead horse again, but that's my reason for tossing you on that same pile. Edited to make use of the quote function, just for you.
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Post by lyse on Sept 28, 2015 22:30:30 GMT -5
I feel like I said many of the things you said a couple of times already. There wasn't anything to imply because I said them outright. You can quote me. I had to go back a few pages where my2sids was said to have Nyr's cock on his breath. I didn't say that and I can see that must've really hurt his feelings. I didn't say it's a debate forum, I said it was a discussion forum. Subtle difference, but an important distinction. I'm not trying to turn this into a royal rumble and I'm not trying to fight you. I did think it was funny the way you kind of jumped in there, so I ribbed you a little, because I thought it was a little odd. If that offended you, I apologize. I could point out the contradictions and all that stuff, but this has been super weird and very one sided. Lyse, I never meant to imply that you were the one that said that m2s had Nyr's cock on his breath, but the fact that you devalued my opinion ('well, you're just saying that because you're his girlfriend!') for suggesting that someone with a slightly more pro-staff bent might actually have something to contribute other than mindlessly praising Nyr made me think you were in that same camp. Sorry for beating a dead horse again, but that's my reason for tossing you on that same pile. Edited to make use of the quote function, just for you. I appreciate you using the quote button. I was honestly wondering why everyone kept bringing up being a ginger cockbreath, I missed it. Again, all I'm saying is "I have fun on the game and I'm proud of my contributions." is a little provocative (he even clinched after he said it "In before the hate"). Not in the sense of being pro anything or anti-anything, but in the sense of maybe I'm missing something. What am I missing? That's the standard response though whenever someone challenges the status quo on Arm. I have my ideas of what that means, I even said them. He responded yes...to all that, but there was more. It took someone else to ask him, what I asked him from the beginning, to answer But what's wrong with asking him to clarify the statement? Is he being contrary just to be contrary or is there meaning behind what he's saying or like you say actually contributing an opposing viewpoint? Is the opposing viewpoint "Well I have fun"? Uhhh ok...no need to clarify that then. But for all the bridge building and crossing the aisle he was talking about, it doesn't appear that he was trying to do that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 0:54:26 GMT -5
I somehow doubt you could point out any contradictions. It's been weird and one sided because you've got no substance and are just arguing to criticize anyone who doesn't agree with you or Oldtwink 100%. So yeah, it's one sided. It's just not coming from the side you're on. What is amusing is if you go back in this very thread and read the people's responses who you're arguing with now(Friday, me, Prince, even PurgPurgPurg)... Not a single one of us agree with what staff did to Asan. We all criticized them for it. But nope, we're definitely a bunch of bootlicking apologists. Prince even liked a bunch of your posts in this thread where you criticized staff, heh. I wish more people complained about the game like Bitter does. He does it right, even if I don't always agree with his more cynical disposition towards the game. Oh! You do know how to use the quote button. Your selective reading is amazing. So, if you can point out where I'm just arguing to criticize (whatever that means) I'd appreciate it. I spent a bunch of time replying to this only to lose it all while trying to grab quotes, so apparently I actually can't do that. Such is life. Here's the gist of it though: I was talking about the entire way you addressed prince, were condescending towards his stance, and gave flippant replies to purpurpurg and prince both that misconstrued what they were saying. "so he's wishy-washy?" and "Ooooh ok. He's choosing to defend the undefendable even though he doesn't necessarily agree with what he's saying himself?" It looks like you're just trying to discredit friday just becuase you disagree. That has nothing to do with simply asking friday to clarify himself, it's just malicious. Maybe it was an attempt at humor? Either way they didn't say anything close to how you summarized it. Also saying Prince is contradicting himself but refusing to point it out is also strange, when you're so adamant about getting friday to clarify his own opinions. That's pretty much it.
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Post by my2sids on Sept 29, 2015 0:58:07 GMT -5
BitterFlashback where have you been dude? Christ, don't tell me you got a life all of a sudden. About staff to stay on topic: rabble rabble grunt.
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Post by jkarr on Sept 29, 2015 2:15:36 GMT -5
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Post by jcarter on Sept 29, 2015 4:34:07 GMT -5
BitterFlashback where have you been dude? Christ, don't tell me you got a life all of a sudden. About staff to stay on topic: rabble rabble grunt. So much for grey areas and nuance
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Post by lyse on Sept 29, 2015 7:48:18 GMT -5
Oh! You do know how to use the quote button. Your selective reading is amazing. So, if you can point out where I'm just arguing to criticize (whatever that means) I'd appreciate it. I spent a bunch of time replying to this only to lose it all while trying to grab quotes, so apparently I actually can't do that. Such is life. Here's the gist of it though: I was talking about the entire way you addressed prince, were condescending towards his stance, and gave flippant replies to purpurpurg and prince both that misconstrued what they were saying. "so he's wishy-washy?" and "Ooooh ok. He's choosing to defend the undefendable even though he doesn't necessarily agree with what he's saying himself?" It looks like you're just trying to discredit friday just becuase you disagree. That has nothing to do with simply asking friday to clarify himself, it's just malicious. Maybe it was an attempt at humor? Either way they didn't say anything close to how you summarized it. Also saying Prince is contradicting himself but refusing to point it out is also strange, when you're so adamant about getting friday to clarify his own opinions. That's pretty much it. Maybe it's for the best because I drove home last night and really thought about this. I see where it all broke down and I think I know why. I'm going to try this another way. Yes, looking back at it, I can see how my repeated questioning could be viewed as "Grrrrr", but that wasn't my intention. The problem here is this pro-arm vs pro shadow thing, or whatever derogatory name this board is called cheaters-board, whiner-board whatever. It's causing mistrust and the mistrust is giving a certain tone to our posts. I've never been a believer in an us versus them on this. Why? Whether you agree or not, we're all pro arm. We're the flip side of the same coin, the difference is you still play and some of us don't. Personally, I'm not going to attack you because you still play or him or anybody. I can't say that enough. This isn't the GDB, we can all agree to that and people do come here to air their grievances, some of which are justified and some of which aren't. I just feel, if you're going to back staff actions on whatever, at least back it up with more than the standard GDB responses. Because this isn't a vacuum like the GDB sort of is. I even get that there might be some kind of punitive blowback for you to post here under your GDB screen name and maybe I'm being a little naive in thinking there wouldn't be (or at least there shouldn't be for taking their side on certain things). None of us can explain why staff does some of the things they do because we're not staff, but some of you come here and make it seem like you know more than the average player does. So all that's left is to discuss it, we can be right or we can be wrong about what we think is going on, but really that's all we got.
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Post by my2sids on Sept 29, 2015 8:17:07 GMT -5
BitterFlashback where have you been dude? Christ, don't tell me you got a life all of a sudden. About staff to stay on topic: rabble rabble grunt. So much for grey areas and nuance My old Mumble flame Bitter deserves better than that.
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Post by punished ppurg on Oct 7, 2015 9:05:38 GMT -5
lol Nyr called me Dmango in a request. Guess my proxy didn't work.
For the record I'm Asan, the guy who posted this thread. Sorry for being dishonest with the multiple accounts but I felt it was the only way to express frustration against these terrible administrators and still potentially derive enjoyment from this game. . . I don't get any enjoyment anymore. If anyone's going to call me out, that's your right. I don't think this open secret diminishes any of the failures that Nyr and his sycophants floundered through under my delicate stimulation.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 10:48:01 GMT -5
Armageddon is never really the same once you've been dealt the Red Suppository of Realization. You can continue to make new accounts and characters, but you can never respect the game the same way, and it becomes increasingly impossible to justify the unreasonable time investment that it takes to build a decent character once you know that the game is a thin veneer of false appearances over a sea of rancid shit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 14:25:57 GMT -5
Lol, red suppository of realization.
I have never made any account except the one I am locked out of. I'm not sure why, but the idea of trying to play incognito just makes me feel weirdly queasy. It's like, I don't feel as though I must conceal my identity to play a game.
People who say they don't understand why this board is here haven't played the game long enough - I played the game in harmony for years before a certain staff member I had disagreed with made lead admin. That's all it takes to change your entire perception of the game.
And I get why people like RGS and whoever come to "defend" Armageddon. I won't reduce their actions to merely attempts to curry favor - though, let's be honest, they will never reveal or fully speak their minds because of fear of retribution or snubbing - but it has more to do with the fact that they /are/ currently playing the game and have invested a great deal of time into it. So, by virtue of those facts alone, you won't hear much genuine criticism unless it comes in the form of a Malkensque outburst that is swiftly apologized for and "made up for" my spending an inordinate amount of time insulting, attacking, acting obnoxiously/belligerently to posters here, again, just to make up for a critical outburst against the staff.
Basically, that sums up the mentality of many long term players. Calling it cultish is probably a bit much though I have used that as a descriptor before - exceptionally cliquish is more apt.
This board serves a good purpose considering the number of people who enjoyed Armageddon for a decade or more but now, mainly due to pettiness, staff grudges, poor administrative decisions, snarkiness, and outright ugliness... Have chosen to stop playing. Or play using a pseudonym. Or still play but desire a place to voice criticisms because, let's be real here, you CANNOT actually speak critically against the staff in many situations, especially not publicly.
It's probably true that many here believe ArmageddonMUD to be a broken game that is absolutely not worth playing. I happen to think it is worth playing, but it is not worth playing when the people running the show hold grudges and will block or curtail plot attempts simply because /they do not like you/.
I don't mean to post here in an attempt to discourage people from playing ArmageddonMUD or to deride them if they continue; instead, hopefully posts by many here help shape the culture in a way that, in part, encourages players to refuse to accept anything but professional, mature interactions with the staff.
While many people have burned bridges by posting critiques of the game here - and you better believe than many posters here have gotten carried away at times - I bet you fiddy fucking dollars that, for the past considerable amount of time, staff members have went out of their way to avoid as much overt ugliness that seemed to trend for a while.
Because guess what, as a result of this board, if you act like an immature, hateful, ego tripping Internet tough guy because you feel as though you have somehow earned the right to treat people like this... Then they will post it here so the entire player base can see what an unbelievably unprofessional ass clown you're acting like.
MoF will say some shit about martyr complexes, but previously, there was no public place for criticism of staff actions or the game or any of that shit. And if some people not being able to play openly anymore is what it takes for such a place to act like a catalyst of sorts, then so be it.
It's incredibly naive to believe ArmagddonMUD has not changed as a result of jcarter's shadowboards.
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Post by jcarter on Oct 7, 2015 15:48:40 GMT -5
The boards are here because it takes all of 5 minutes for any moron like myself to register and create one for free. The boards are used because people want to talk about a video game where they won't be punished, or they're banned from the gdb, or they specifically want to talk about things here. There's no real mystery.
Idg why armers get their jimmies rustled over something that in no way whatsoever effects them and they can easily ignore but w/e
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Post by mood on Oct 7, 2015 17:37:38 GMT -5
you people are the worst people
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Post by mood on Oct 7, 2015 17:40:54 GMT -5
this thread is pretty bad also
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