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Post by gloryhound on Jun 29, 2015 16:45:35 GMT -5
So, basically, what you are saying is that the players are pawns, not in charge of shit and can't make changes, only sit in a fucking bar and schmooze until the staff gives the thumbs up that they are okay to resume the script.? Wait, sorry, just describing everyday life in Zalanthas. Yeah, why provide a dynamic fantasy world when people have all those ways of emoting how they're drinking ale and discussing which piece of clothing is better than which left to do. What joy, what fun. |
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Post by sirra on Jun 29, 2015 17:01:47 GMT -5
Asan, your situation is fucked, and im sorry it came to this! You'll have more luck sleeping with scarlet Johansson than getting a rez for anyone in this game. Allow me to spin you a story. Once upon a time, (probably my favorite asshole dwarf warrior ever) Was the first trooper of The byn, trained for being a wall, and several years IG, collected a whole bunch of silt horror armor. He'd traveled the known, killed hordes of spiders, kryl, a couple mets, etc etc, no one cares about his deeds, the point being, he was no soft-hearted, weak warrior, he was well-trained, well-hunted, maxed almost everything, he even had branched advanced weaponry. Korath decides to fight in the arena. (Literal days after nyr was appointed dictator of allanak, who hates my guts). So, he and the unnamed(i think still alive) do a practice round before the event. Everything thrown at them gets murdered. Korath was using his shield (which as a maxed, dwarf warrior, that shield will be hell to get through unless your base off dwarfs theirs!) So, oash noble has a braxat come in. Unlike the other npcs, the braxat hesitated before charging. Axe and shield we meet the braxat head on, (korath hás killed braxats before, unscatched) and this braxat comes in and does two critical strikes back to back like korath was a skeet, (before i could even press enter, with disarm in my command prompt). He was still alive, and right after, the game crashes. Or so i thought. I log back in, and im dead. I also know the other players had dc'd, (speaking with them on aim, and the other pc in the arena had bad rep with nyr too. when the player logged in, he was almost dead. The oash logged intime to wipe the arena, and the player in the arena asked for a rez for korath, and was told immediately by nyr, no, the game didnt crash. Now...I hit up múltiple players, and turns out, it was just US three, who were dc'd.....at the exact damn time. One, a loaded braxat wouldnt mow through two long-lived, shield bearing warriors like nothing, unless it was tweaked. I also find it very odd that nyr replied immediately, (at least for me, 99% of my wishes go unanswered, and the 1% takes from 10 min + usually.), and most importantly, that three players DC at the same time, all living in different places of the world. No one else DC'd, Just us. Pretty sure nyr assasinated me, but thats not the point. The point is, even if you get fucked over and they know it, screw you and yours. This is a fairly infamous device used by staff. The loading of an NPC with insane offense and insane skill. Maybe Anaiah can go into greater detail about it, but I've had things give me monstrous hits that had no business doing so. There's two main reasons for why this happens. 1) For some bizarre, unknown and god-forsaken reason - both Armageddon staff and countless DMs, GMs, STs, across all mediums...Think that they're doing a 'bad job' if their NPCs get killed easily, and that they do a 'good job' and please the PCs by making them fail or setting them up against arbitrarily tough odds. If you want proof of this, think of the last time you were in a tabletop game, and the DM (or whoever), more or less arbitrarily stats the opposition to rival the best warrior in the group. 2) Many Armageddon staffers (a surprising amount, actually, as to be in the majority) have never had a long-lived warrior/ranger PC that they had to grind up in the wastelands. So they have an extremely unrealistic view of the effort taken and time investment. They know all about gickers, sorcs and psionics, but nothing about branching an advanced weapon, or getting a high off/def. This makes them extremely slipshod about statting critters/opponents to give people a 'show'. They don't realize that even the tiniest deviation in stats can be the difference between a close fight and one side getting fucked stupid. I wouldn't be surprised if they statted that braxat for the sole reason of getting past the dwarf's shield, without realizing if it /could/ get easily past the shield, it would probably wipe them. This is why only morons fight in the arena against NPCs. Plenty of other people have stories about getting thrashed by NPCs in there, despite being about as maxed out as you could reasonably expect anyone to attain in two lifetimes. It's very unfair when a staffer's momentary pique and a few seconds adjustments can dramatically overwhelm months of RL training and survival. |
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Post by Asan on Jun 29, 2015 17:09:18 GMT -5
Asan: You posted in your OP "Cavaticus is currently in the process of ruining the tradition and lore of the clan in order to bring it into line with Tuluk's system of contracts and periodic terms of service, instead of swearing a life-oath." Do you mind clarifying/posting for us some evidence that this is the plan for the arm? I fucking hope not. Sure. I was part of the AoD back when there was work being done on the Legions in Tuluk, when it was open. There was a general murmur in the AoD clan about why Tuluk was getting all this love, when we were sitting on what was basically a flawed clan in many respects -- there were elements of the AoD that drove away experienced players, whereas the Northern team was working towards a way that allowed members of the Reserves to go outside and twink on stilt lizards or whatever all they wanted. The general response we got was "wait and see" from the staff -- the changes that were coming down the pipe for Tuluk were going to be watched to see if they were successful, and, if they were, the same general changes were going to be made to the AoD clan. We were expecting the AoD to, in time, be brought into the same form as the Tuluki Legions. If I could dive into the clan forum and find the conversation, I'd show it to you, but I'm kicked out of it. I thought this was a good thing, until I saw the way it was going to be done. Cutting out the tedium of the political part of the plan, there was a series of events (severely out of order) which led to where we are now: - Senate vote, Obsidian Storm leaves Ten Serak Outpost to come and kick shit in Allanak.
- Ten Serak outpost, now devoid of the Legion that had been protecting it (the Obsidian Storm) is overtaken by Tulukis, razed and destroyed.
- Storm Legion proves to be treasonous, animated Sergeant outright provoking PC Templars into a chase through Allanak into the awaiting spawned hands of a unit NPC in order to get them to flinch off, under the orders of "Great Lord Caleo".
- Two Black Robes kill each other over Allanak, causes the Storm plot to fizzle out.
- Tension continues to build -- execution of former Red Robe that led the Sabers (PC AoD Legion) killed by Caleo's order in the Arena, fallout afterwards involved my three recruits' deaths.
- Caleo, suspected to be a Northron-controlled traitor and general evil antagonist, ends up taking over the Jade Sabers in a deus ex machina.
- Now, Caleo is going to dictate the new order of things to a Legion he was attempting to sabotage and antagonize not ICly years before he got the seat of power.
It was glaringly obvious to me that all of the work done to the Tuluki military clan was not going to go to waste after Tuluk was closed -- oh no, it was going to make its way down south along with the staffers who had made the changes.
After my instructor disappeared, I sent in the following question on 6/2/2015: As a side-note, I was never able to find that new Tor noble in-game. Maybe they stored after they realized they were basically going to type lectures towards text-men for multiple hours a week? Who knows.Telling from the glass ceiling falling on me after the Lieutenant above me kicked the bucket, combined with Nyr's response to my forum ban appeal (Your storyteller doesn't think it's necessary for you, the clan leader, to have access to the AoD clan board right now, with two RPTs coming up), and aided with Cavaticus's swift demand of kicking me out about three hours after that reply, it's been made obvious to me that he never intended for me to have a spot in his grand re-imagining, anyhow. Just waiting for an excuse to kick my sorry, non-compliant ass out of his majestic scheme.  To top it all off, this is a quote from the AoD role-call currently on the GDB. |
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Post by visiblyupsetbyyou on Jun 29, 2015 18:12:20 GMT -5
just cause u were aod sarge doesn't mean u have low down on every plot in da city
torgun was exception who had been in clan for multiple rl years and survived tons of shit and was fairly active the entire time. so hey, mby lt promote.
as for cavat not having a spot for you? seemed like he did. then you riled people up
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Post by Asan on Jun 29, 2015 18:30:36 GMT -5
Yeah, I sure riled people by caring for my clan members and not wanting their experience with the AoD to come to a staggering disappointment due to staffer incompetence.
That's definitely a thing that happened.
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Post by my2sids on Jun 29, 2015 18:36:24 GMT -5
I think you've made your point without need to further respond to every asshat that's poking at you, Asan.
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Post by Asan on Jun 29, 2015 18:41:40 GMT -5
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Post by gloryhound on Jun 29, 2015 19:13:51 GMT -5
just cause u were aod sarge doesn't mean u have low down on every plot in da city torgun was exception who had been in clan for multiple rl years and survived tons of shit and was fairly active the entire time. so hey, mby lt promote. as for cavat not having a spot for you? seemed like he did. then you riled people up Torgun was an exception precisely because he was a hold over from the time they still made AoD Lieutenants, Byn Lieutenants and the like. He simply survived past the day they decided to stop doing it. So your post here is bullshit. |
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Post by glacierflux on Jun 29, 2015 19:14:00 GMT -5
The "lateral promotions" nyr infected the legions with was a disaster. don't play anymore but i played there for several months and it was hella confusing. There were three kinds of privates, plenty of options to "pension out" of the army instead of serve til you die etc...maybe if 100 players had been in that clan it would have been good. as it was it just didn't feel harsh and was embarrassing. glad the north is closed but really allanak's social and clan structure is very simple and easy to grasp for most people and complex plots can come from that simplicity.
Complexity from the beginning just leads to ultra-stupidity as in the case with tuluk b/c 90% of people don't give a shit. Most players want to fetch rocks for nobles, serve drinks, punch an elf, raise skills, maybe do a sewer rpt once a year. all these small bit parts can make up a more complicated story with crazy plot spirals you could never expect. but tuluk you couldn't just do that kind of stuff you had to take every nuance into account also or you're a bad rper who doesn't get tuluk and are shamed by staff. Any attempts to make Allanak 'more complicated' from some well intentioned but short-sighted staffer stuffing more docs down players throats is going to make allanak smell like the nyrth. so the talk of complicating aods clan structure is worrying b/c that's exactly what hapepnd in tuluk.
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Post by visiblyupsetbyyou on Jun 29, 2015 19:47:06 GMT -5
just cause u were aod sarge doesn't mean u have low down on every plot in da city torgun was exception who had been in clan for multiple rl years and survived tons of shit and was fairly active the entire time. so hey, mby lt promote. as for cavat not having a spot for you? seemed like he did. then you riled people up Torgun was an exception precisely because he was a hold over from the time they still made AoD Lieutenants, Byn Lieutenants and the like. He simply survived past the day they decided to stop doing it. So your post here is bullshit. how dare u |
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Post by ccp on Jun 29, 2015 20:29:21 GMT -5
Thanks for laying all that out Asan. Based on that you do seem to be correct in your suspicions for their plans for the arm. The one thing I disagree with is that you could have had a role in it but maybe not as a lieutenant. However if that is what they are planning I totally get not wanting to be a part of it. I wouldn't want to be told to step aside while the clan I loved was butchered and remade in the Levies or Legions' image either. I might have chosen a different time or issue to leave with but we already discussed that on mumble. thanks again for the info.
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Post by gloryhound on Jun 29, 2015 20:30:17 GMT -5
Most players want to fetch rocks for nobles, serve drinks, punch an elf, raise skills, maybe do a sewer rpt once a year. Are you serious? Although I'd have to agree that many who hoped for more have left the game out of disappointment. Those remaining are a mix of newbies to whom Zalanthas is still somewhat new, those who hang on out of nostalgia, those who hang on out of a hope that won't die for a return to better days, and those who hang about because Arm's is about the only functional, populated RPI. Let me assure you that players would love to be able to do more, it's just that the lid is held on so tightly that they can't. |
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Post by sirra on Jun 29, 2015 20:37:38 GMT -5
The "lateral promotions" nyr infected the legions with was a disaster. don't play anymore but i played there for several months and it was hella confusing. There were three kinds of privates, plenty of options to "pension out" of the army instead of serve til you die etc...maybe if 100 players had been in that clan it would have been good. as it was it just didn't feel harsh and was embarrassing. glad the north is closed but really allanak's social and clan structure is very simple and easy to grasp for most people and complex plots can come from that simplicity. Complexity from the beginning just leads to ultra-stupidity as in the case with tuluk b/c 90% of people don't give a shit. Who could have ever anticipated that Nyr would over-complicate something, and which boils down almost entirely to arbitrary judgment calls at the end, anyways (via some NPC superior). |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 20:50:02 GMT -5
Most players want to fetch rocks for nobles, serve drinks, punch an elf, raise skills, maybe do a sewer rpt once a year. Are you serious? Although I'd have to agree that many who hoped for more have left the game out of disappointment. Those remaining are a mix of newbies to whom Zalanthas is still somewhat new, those who hang on out of nostalgia, those who hang on out of a hope that won't die for a return to better days, and those who hang about because Arm's is about the only functional, populated RPI. Let me assure you that players would love to be able to do more, it's just that the lid is held on so tightly that they can't. I'll call bullshit on that. A good chunk of playerbase "do" prefer to fetch rocks. All these ... changes, for better or worse, is an attempt to make joining a clan more enticing. Hard to have a war or any kind of interclan conflict, when a vast chunk of playerbase prefers to stay indies forever. Many of them are scared of being locked into a boring role via a lifeoath. Result? Attempts to remove lifeoath, or provide alternatives. |
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Post by amateureschatologist on Jun 29, 2015 21:49:59 GMT -5
Telling from the glass ceiling falling on me after the Lieutenant above me kicked the bucket, combined with Nyr's response to my forum ban appeal (Your storyteller doesn't think it's necessary for you, the clan leader, to have access to the AoD clan board right now, with two RPTs coming up), and aided with Cavaticus's swift demand of kicking me out about three hours after that reply, it's been made obvious to me that he never intended for me to have a spot in his grand re-imagining, anyhow. Just waiting for an excuse to kick my sorry, non-compliant ass out of his majestic scheme. I don't think that part is necessarily true. Nyr's response about your storyteller not thinking you needed access to the clan forums seemed to come after they'd already made the decision to demote/force store your character but hadn't told you yet. The reason why they didn't think you needed access to the forum was because they were planning on you not being a leader anymore, which is shitty but that's probably what it was. I think it's a leap to assume that Cavaticus was just waiting for a reason to boot you from that kind of thing. The glass ceiling, too, is often entirely arbitrary. Not saying staff wasn't super shitty to you after the event, but I don't think they were just waiting for their chance to be rid of you. |
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