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Post by sirra on May 7, 2015 18:41:12 GMT -5
Hawk was mundane, a normal dude, with a normal crew. He was great at keeping shit together and involving people. A little too earnest sometimes, but perhaps for the better. At some point, amidst many other mundane plots, he got involved into a magickal one. He got friendly with some Nilazi and Sorcerers. Being a badass and being fun, being a leader of a mundane crew, and being able to get shit done, he was a goldmine for the sorcerers and the nilazi. This got him access to magick rings, dead speak, vloran, drovian intelligence, defense against magick, invisibility to magickers. He wasn't "too' closely related to the magick shit, but he spent plenty of time with Hasan's group. At some point, when his crew came under fire, 'some' of his crew hid amongst Hasan's own people. No sane Nilazi would touch Hawk's corpse. Hawk was being persued more then Hasan was. Possessing his corpse is one way to die the true death for a Nilazi. The mere fact that a person cannot 'believe' that someone who did a lot of awesome shit, simply can NOT be someone who's not a staff pet, or dating a staffer, or an ex-staffer, or whatever the fuck, says more about that specific person then the game. To be fair, if I knew for a fact that some mul was a mundane ranger, and had accomplished, acquired all that magical loot and been involved in everything that it was claimed of him - and if I knew that staff wasn't involved - what you described, would be exactly how I would have anticipated such a thing coming about. I'm significantly more impressed by Hawk than I was before. Dude managed to stick to his mul (which are infamous for storing after a month or two, or else being killed) actually skill up on it despite everything dying in one hit, and figured out the silt sea without dying. Then managed to get in tight with a cabal of sorcs. He won Armageddon as a mundane, as far as I'm concerned. So kudos to him. I'm also surprised he went as long as he did without some gemmed whiran summoning him to his death.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 0:28:36 GMT -5
Hawk was mundane, a normal dude, with a normal crew. He was great at keeping shit together and involving people. A little too earnest sometimes, but perhaps for the better. At some point, amidst many other mundane plots, he got involved into a magickal one. He got friendly with some Nilazi and Sorcerers. Being a badass and being fun, being a leader of a mundane crew, and being able to get shit done, he was a goldmine for the sorcerers and the nilazi. This got him access to magick rings, dead speak, vloran, drovian intelligence, defense against magick, invisibility to magickers. He wasn't "too' closely related to the magick shit, but he spent plenty of time with Hasan's group. At some point, when his crew came under fire, 'some' of his crew hid amongst Hasan's own people. No sane Nilazi would touch Hawk's corpse. Hawk was being persued more then Hasan was. Possessing his corpse is one way to die the true death for a Nilazi. The mere fact that a person cannot 'believe' that someone who did a lot of awesome shit, simply can NOT be someone who's not a staff pet, or dating a staffer, or an ex-staffer, or whatever the fuck, says more about that specific person then the game. In counterpoint, there have been several little groups of vets over the last three years that have walled themselves off and gotten long involved storylines from the imms. There were three groups of three muls each, with magicker support. There was hawk + sorc + whiran being taught sorcery + nilazi, + drovian, +at least one krathi, and several other high karma pcs. I object to visible elitism, especially when you know there isnt that much movement in high karma positions, and that several of them are filled with former storytellers. If thats the way it is, admit it. Dont maintain the public relations that good roleplay is what is being selected for.
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Post by tedium on May 8, 2015 4:34:26 GMT -5
So, if a guy gets into the game and does a bunch of stuff and facilitates a bunch of fun, and a bunch of people say that's how it should be done and they had a lot of fun with him... Why does it matter if he was friends with staff or not? What if he was a staffer? Would it matter? All people can seem to focus on is that he's a staff-pet and you couldn't do what he did unless you were... blah blah blah Create a game based around RP, tell players they have to drive the RP, punish them when they try to drive the RP, punish OOC coordination, restrict OOC knowledge of the game, and finally allow certain players with OOC connections to staff to create staff-assisted characters with tremendous OOC knowledge of the game due to those staff connections for the purpose of driving the game world. Yeah, I wonder why that bothers people. That being said, I think there is a misconception over the way staff pets behave. Some staff pets are the sort who rise quickly to a clan leadership position and, mysteriously, rules that applied to prior leaders don't apply to them any longer. It's not hard to think of a time where a clan's recruitment cap vanished when a new leader came in, or where certain PCs seemed to be completely immune to the mindbending powers of Lirathans. These stand out because they're so flagrantly, publicly stupid, but they're the minority of staff pets. Most staff pets are lower-key characters, even the ones with abilities no player would be allowed to have, that attach themselves to good RPers. They have inside knowledge of who is doing what and can drop a character with just the skills you need in your path so that they're integrated into your plot. And, over time, they sloooowly make your plots about them, or direct you and your plots toward staff plots so that they get integrated into what staff wants to happen. In some ways this is worse than the flagrantly OOC staff pets at clan heads, because it creates a group that is perpetually insulated from all of the shitty, dull RP that staff policies create. They never actually experience their own game. Even the Shadowboard doesn't seem to notice when it happens because someone who OOCly knows the de-facto leader speaks out to say that they're not a staffpet, and so the group is legitimate. It's almost always the people surrounding the leader who are the staffpets, and actively sought out that leader via OOC knowledge about what's going on.
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Post by someguy on May 8, 2015 8:41:22 GMT -5
The mere fact that a person cannot 'believe' that someone who did a lot of awesome shit, simply can NOT be someone who's not a staff pet, or dating a staffer, or an ex-staffer, or whatever the fuck, says more about that specific person then the game. This 1000x over. People on both sides of the fence; jaded-staff and jaded-players, need to get over themselves. Some of the posts here are so Nyr-like sometimes, it's almost like your trolling yourselves.
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Post by sirra on May 8, 2015 14:24:53 GMT -5
So, if a guy gets into the game and does a bunch of stuff and facilitates a bunch of fun, and a bunch of people say that's how it should be done and they had a lot of fun with him... Why does it matter if he was friends with staff or not? What if he was a staffer? Would it matter? All people can seem to focus on is that he's a staff-pet and you couldn't do what he did unless you were... blah blah blah Create a game based around RP, tell players they have to drive the RP, punish them when they try to drive the RP, punish OOC coordination, restrict OOC knowledge of the game, and finally allow certain players with OOC connections to staff to create staff-assisted characters with tremendous OOC knowledge of the game due to those staff connections for the purpose of driving the game world. Yeah, I wonder why that bothers people. That being said, I think there is a misconception over the way staff pets behave. Some staff pets are the sort who rise quickly to a clan leadership position and, mysteriously, rules that applied to prior leaders don't apply to them any longer. It's not hard to think of a time where a clan's recruitment cap vanished when a new leader came in, or where certain PCs seemed to be completely immune to the mindbending powers of Lirathans. These stand out because they're so flagrantly, publicly stupid, but they're the minority of staff pets. Most staff pets are lower-key characters, even the ones with abilities no player would be allowed to have, that attach themselves to good RPers. They have inside knowledge of who is doing what and can drop a character with just the skills you need in your path so that they're integrated into your plot. And, over time, they sloooowly make your plots about them, or direct you and your plots toward staff plots so that they get integrated into what staff wants to happen. In some ways this is worse than the flagrantly OOC staff pets at clan heads, because it creates a group that is perpetually insulated from all of the shitty, dull RP that staff policies create. They never actually experience their own game. Even the Shadowboard doesn't seem to notice when it happens because someone who OOCly knows the de-facto leader speaks out to say that they're not a staffpet, and so the group is legitimate. It's almost always the people surrounding the leader who are the staffpets, and actively sought out that leader via OOC knowledge about what's going on. In all seriousness, there is a lot of truth to this post. Staff-alts, staff pets, etc...They're very rarely Plainsman-esque. They're most often parasitic, attaching themselves to whatever fresh blood is making a lot of creative stuff happen at any given time, or can best entertain them. Most of these people (keeping in theme with staff laziness) are not so much looking to entertain people, as Plainsman was...but looking to be entertained.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 14:29:01 GMT -5
It's all about the first followers that make it happen.
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Post by jimmyhoffa on May 8, 2015 19:47:37 GMT -5
one thing i remember about hawk is he always carried like 4-5 bags on him at all times.
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Post by someguy on May 8, 2015 22:23:45 GMT -5
Why would Hawk even go into Tuluk? Is that all it took to get him killed? Citizenship and enter and derp?
Someone needs to spill this epic tale before it's all in pieces and forgotten.
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Post by lulz on May 8, 2015 22:37:53 GMT -5
People are too focused on them being a nilazi. I doubt we'll ever hear the true story unless the player him/herself comes to the boards and shares with us.
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Post by An old fella on Feb 16, 2020 16:19:41 GMT -5
Hawk was mundane, a normal dude, with a normal crew. He was great at keeping shit together and involving people. A little too earnest sometimes, but perhaps for the better. At some point, amidst many other mundane plots, he got involved into a magickal one. He got friendly with some Nilazi and Sorcerers. Being a badass and being fun, being a leader of a mundane crew, and being able to get shit done, he was a goldmine for the sorcerers and the nilazi. This got him access to magick rings, dead speak, vloran, drovian intelligence, defense against magick, invisibility to magickers. He wasn't "too' closely related to the magick shit, but he spent plenty of time with Hasan's group. At some point, when his crew came under fire, 'some' of his crew hid amongst Hasan's own people. No sane Nilazi would touch Hawk's corpse. Hawk was being persued more then Hasan was. Possessing his corpse is one way to die the true death for a Nilazi. The mere fact that a person cannot 'believe' that someone who did a lot of awesome shit, simply can NOT be someone who's not a staff pet, or dating a staffer, or an ex-staffer, or whatever the fuck, says more about that specific person then the game. To be fair, if I knew for a fact that some mul was a mundane ranger, and had accomplished, acquired all that magical loot and been involved in everything that it was claimed of him - and if I knew that staff wasn't involved - what you described, would be exactly how I would have anticipated such a thing coming about. I'm significantly more impressed by Hawk than I was before. Dude managed to stick to his mul (which are infamous for storing after a month or two, or else being killed) actually skill up on it despite everything dying in one hit, and figured out the silt sea without dying. Then managed to get in tight with a cabal of sorcs. He won Armageddon as a mundane, as far as I'm concerned. So kudos to him. I'm also surprised he went as long as he did without some gemmed whiran summoning him to his death. Actually, I think there were two instances a Whiran -did- summon him to his death, and he survived.
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