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Post by latrineswimmer on Dec 9, 2014 6:11:40 GMT -5
See that twink giant log getting spam trampled on here and you will see how it used to work. It was brutally broken at that time, I think this was the incident which got Imms to fix it so it did the game world good overall.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 10:26:54 GMT -5
i dont understand the mechanics of what actually happened here how many pcs are we talking? 4? 5? they cant have all been a day old... is trample that powerful? how did none of them get away? did he systematically just hunt them all down after he started going beastmode on them or was he just one hitting them with an adv weap skill? It was quite a few years ago that I read the log, and it's hard to get a real sense of the timing from logs, but basically they walked into eachother in the desert and the elves started to emote. One popped out an emote, others were mid-typing, when Abuzer just commences spam-trampling. These PCs were less than a week old, it was literally a few days after the tribe had been re-opened, so he pretty much insta-kills one and then proceeds to the next. I believe there were four elves and they briefly try some rescuing before the remaining two run off, but being low on stamina in the first place, they can't get away from a mounted player and he finishes them all off.
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Post by drunkendwarf on Dec 9, 2014 16:10:04 GMT -5
It is quite amazing he managed to take down an entire group of desert elves without a single one managing to escape.
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Post by drunkendwarf on Dec 9, 2014 16:16:28 GMT -5
My very few interactions with Abuzer, all with my dwarf Dargan: I first met him just west of Tuluk, right near the first bend in the road. We were out gathering wood or some shit and Abuzer walks in, looks at me, asks if I'm Dargan. I say yes. I had recently won (I think - not exactly sure on time frame, but I do know he approached me AFTER I won) the pit fights in Luir's and apparently had attained some level of fame in doing so. He demands to spar me - then and there. I oblige. He wins. It wasn't an absolute victory, but I didn't put up as much of a fight as I had hoped I would. This came as quite a surprise given I HAD just won the pit fights. After beating me, he demands to know the name of at least one person that I either couldn't beat in a fight or that had at least recently bested me. I oblige. He picks up his things and walks off.
Every other encounter with him I think was probably in the grasslands. He would be loaded down, often bare handed, fighting a skeet. And AFK while doing it. I'd ride up, say something and wait....and wait....and only several seconds after the skeet was dead/knocked out would he react to me in any way. And even then often times it would be several minutes after the fight before his character would do anything. It was VERY obvious he was AFK the entire time.
I didn't hear much more of him after awhile and all this stuff about him whacking Red Fangs and being kicked out of cities is all news to me.
Any idea who played him?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 16:41:38 GMT -5
It is quite amazing he managed to take down an entire group of desert elves without a single one managing to escape. The pov player of the log was down to like 20 stamina when they ran into him on their way towards that new camp they got in the southwest desert. There was essentially nothing they could do. He was able to go around and finish them off where they ended up at 0 stamina.
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Post by sirra on Dec 10, 2014 2:37:05 GMT -5
It's not about policy, it's about simply being willing to roleplay and having some measure of decency towards other players. Policy would be like SoI's failed rules of engagement. If people are roleplaying and you deliberately refrain from doing so in order to win at PvP by codespam, you have failed the game and are making it worse. He wasn't fighting fire with fire, he was abuzing (ayy) the principles of a roleplaying game in order to grief other players who were doing the right thing. If a roleplaying game ever gets to the point where roleplaying is the wrong decision, and forgoing roleplay in favor of winning for completely OOC reasons (let's not pretend Abuzer was an actual character being roleplayed) is the right decision, the game itself has failed. There don't need to be any policies, but there does need to be a culture of encouragement to maintain a palatable standard of roleplay. If not, is the game really an RPI? You can't seriously suggest that it was the right in-character course of action. Abuzer was someone's griefing tool, serving the purpose of PKing as many PCs as at all possible. It really says something about a player if they seriously defend the act of walking into a room with other PCs and instantaneously codespamming them to death without even attempting to participate in the roleplay that is going on. I'm more and more convinced that a lot of this forum's userbase consists of actual Arm pariahs who were shunned from the game for being absolute cuntbags and now just talk shit about it to feel better about themselves. I don't disagree with the ideal that you're preaching steinal. I did my best to carry the same standard. I was virtually always the one attacked, except in the most dramatic and justified of circumstances. I'm just surprised by your evident surprise that the imms didn't step in and punsh Abuzer or resurrect the clan for it. Given so much worse and twinkier PKings happen on a routine basis without a batted eye. RE: Bolded I have a hard time believing Abuzer attacked them without provocation. I was extremely well acquainted with that character, and I never saw him display griefing behavior. He was however, extremely concerned about his own survival and would DEFINITELY attack first if he thought it gave him an advantage. If he thought there wasn't going to be a fight, I don't think he'd have attacked and risked himself. The Abuzer I knew would never want to risk his life in a 4 on 1. Does that make sense? So I'm not defending the act of arbitrarily walking into a room and codespamming newbies to death, cause I don't believe that's how it went down. I think if he knew they were harmless newbs, he'd have just ridden away. But he got spooked. And he was pretty much KOS to every delf raider clan anyways, long before then. I'd bet money that he thought they were there to take his head. He was definitely a code twink. But he was never an OOC cheater. There's plenty of people still playing Armageddon and happily posting on the GDB that are cheaters.
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Post by sirra on Dec 10, 2014 2:48:58 GMT -5
i dont understand the mechanics of what actually happened here how many pcs are we talking? 4? 5? they cant have all been a day old... is trample that powerful? how did none of them get away? did he systematically just hunt them all down after he started going beastmode on them or was he just one hitting them with an adv weap skill? Abuzer was aptly named. If you weren't rocking master parry and defense, he could basically kill you before you had a chance to react. No one would spar with him out of fear of being accidentally PK'd. Not that sparring anyone would have helped him skill up at the level he'd gotten to. Jesus christ. I sparred Abuzer all the way up until the point he plateaued on his advanced weapon, with my ranger. That said, Abuzer's 'lethality' is really more of a testament to the fact that so very very very few people have seen a weapon like a pike or a trident used with a higher than journeyman skill level. It's not like he was a mul or anything. But a pike does hit pretty fricking hard. With anything but a pike or trident though, he could be defeated in the circle. It was night and day. I've never seen anyone so aggressively work their Offense/Defense either. It was his whole dwarven martial art schtick. Most people only ever see their Byn sergeant or the occasional House trooper or guard, riding around with a spiderfang trident or carrying a razor, as really more of an elaborate affectation than anything else. But that was not the case with Abuzer.
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Post by sirra on Dec 10, 2014 2:55:56 GMT -5
See that twink giant log getting spam trampled on here and you will see how it used to work. It was brutally broken at that time, I think this was the incident which got Imms to fix it so it did the game world good overall. It got changed/nerfed in several steps. At one stage, there was no 'trample', only 'charge'. And you could just keep charging over and over. I killed quite a few meks and bahamets with it. One time, we wanted to kill some big insectoid beast in its cave. I forget what it was called exactly, but only an erdlu could fit. As long as we could charge with the erdlu, whatever it was would spend the fight on the ground helpless. Since it did not respect size. (Yes, you could charge a mekillot with an erdlu). But people forget charging was high risk too. You could fall off, and then you were dead. And it was never very accurate. So when people talk about charge being OP, they're talking about maxed rangers with a high offense, not just anyone. For most anyone else, it'd kill you. Trample, which was added, was much less powerful, but safer to use.
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Post by Tektrollnes on Dec 16, 2014 10:15:56 GMT -5
I encountered Abuzer and he rp'd and robbed me and another guy. He just took all our shit and didn't kill us. It was probably earlier in his career cause RFs were still about and there were some older ones. I didn't know at the time who he was. The guy I was with was a 30 day warrior and Abuzer bashed him and disengaged. I was a 10 day burg pre-throw nerf. We rp'd it out and there was no code used.
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Post by hyperion on Dec 26, 2014 12:09:52 GMT -5
i pk'd abuzers player as an elf once, so i guess that's why he had a hard on for them. i pk'd him as a random throwaway when he tried to rob me once too. trouble is, that player always made the same character over and over again and always takes the most direct path to maxing skills and abusing code as hard as he can. any time i ran into him on a serious pc that wasn't on a leash, i wooped his ass though. i sort of fed on his tears.
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Post by jkarr on Dec 26, 2014 12:40:30 GMT -5
i pk'd abuzers player as an elf once dude u couldve just broken his fingers if u wanted him to have a harder time playing arm stupid neckers
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Post by topkekm8s on Dec 26, 2014 12:42:22 GMT -5
i believe that is assault
jcarter report this guy to the FBI
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Post by topkekm8s on Dec 26, 2014 12:42:52 GMT -5
nerd on nerd violence is no laughing matter
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Post by topkekm8s on Dec 26, 2014 12:43:35 GMT -5
every year a nerd almost gets slightly injured at the hands of another nerd
stop this vicious cycle
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Post by najdorf on Dec 26, 2014 14:33:11 GMT -5
tthis is abuzer's player, I read your comments.. hmm.. bastards..
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