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Post by latrineswimmer on Dec 7, 2014 17:25:49 GMT -5
I was wondering who that dwarf was that wiped out the fangs. That was ridiculous. Trample Trample Trample Trample.
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Post by topkekm8s on Dec 8, 2014 0:27:54 GMT -5
did he do it all in one go? how even
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Post by sirra on Dec 8, 2014 2:17:53 GMT -5
Abuzer twink-killed the entire first generation of the re-opened Red Fangs back in 2008 or something. They ran into him in the desert and gave him some looks, basically behaving a bit Red Fang-ish towards him but without actually attacking him or anything. He just straight up grief-killed all of them without so much as an emote, pure code without hesitation, wiped out a clan that was being brought back. He was allowed to continue playing, completely unpunished afaik. In the grand scheme of things, what he did wasn't that bad, if you understand the context. Abuzer had been attacked by random delfs for no discernible reason quite a few times in his career. I've only known one or two raider players to elaborately RP with their victims. I've HEARD about others doing it, like Sandman from way back when. But we're talking about a very tiny minority of encounters. I've certainly been attacked tons of times. Interesting aside: My only real pvp death came as a Red Fang, when my dude and Slinks was jumped by two dwarves (one might've been a mul), and two half-giants on the northern road. There's a lot of far shittier deaths in the game - which clearly break the rules and spirit of the game - which go unpunished. Ultimately, attacking head on, outnumbered in the open against a group who was presumably armed and probably acting a bit edgy and semi-threatening, is ultimately justifiable. It's not ideal. A stronger-willed, more confident person, despite knowing they'd be dead if the delves attacked first, would continue to RP, steely-eyed and unflinching. But sometimes we're put into a fight or flight situation. I had a pretty good handle on Abuzer and his player, and I can guarantee they somehow triggered his 'fight or flight' instinct. And since it was Abuzer, it was more like 'fight or fight'. It sucked for the Fangs, but in the grand context of things - that wasn't even the most grief-tastic way that the Red Fang clan has ever been wiped out. At the very least, I can guarantee those Fangs went into the scene feeling like they were easily the superior party in the encounter. Little did they know, they'd stumbled upon what was essentially the dwarven version of Kratos. Anyhow. I've played several Red Fangs, and I always understood that being in that clan, with that reputation, shit was liable to happen out on the sands. You were ready for violence, and were mentally prepared for it. It wasn't a shocking ganking. It's not like, say, a newbie Borsail noble being invited over for tea by an Oash noble, and the minute they step inside the compound, being sicced upon by NPC guards and murdered with no recourse. There is no justice in Armageddon, and as far as I know, staff has never served justice in any situation where one of their alts wasn't involved, even in the most egregious of cases. If I'm mistaken, please correct me, cause I would honestly give props in a situation if I could remember it. They'll get plenty pissed off and intervene if an NPC is molested, mind you. But not another PC.
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Post by hurrrrrrrrrr on Dec 8, 2014 8:58:52 GMT -5
That's actually one of the things I like about Armageddon. When you put policy to PVP, people will start to whine about every other encounter.
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Post by jkarr on Dec 8, 2014 9:20:00 GMT -5
so a lone pc with a history of getting attacked by desert elves gets suddenly surrounded by the entire pc pop of the most bloodthirsty elven raiding clan in the middle of the desert, but then is a twink for not emoting back before using a coded response to the threat?
fuck that. ignoring that coded responses qualify as rp and that emoting is an option, not a requirement, for u to flesh out ur rp, this is a perfectly sensible response from someone with a history of getting randomly jumped before by elves in the desert - much less to an infamous group that rode in on him while 'giving him looks' and behaving 'redfangish' lol. this just sounds like proxy postmortem wailing by some chumps who thought they had the numbers and coded strength to ride up that way towards a lone pc and got handled instead
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 9:25:35 GMT -5
so a lone pc with a history of getting attacked by desert elves gets suddenly surrounded by the entire pc pop of the most bloodthirsty elven raiding clan in the middle of the desert, but then is a twink for not emoting back before using a coded response to the threat? fuck that. ignoring that coded responses qualify as rp and that emoting is an option, not a requirement, for u to flesh out ur rp, this is a perfectly sensible response from someone with a history of getting randomly jumped before by elves in the desert - much less to an infamous group that rode in on him while 'giving him looks' and behaving 'redfangish' lol. this just sounds like proxy postmortem wailing by some chumps who thought they had the numbers and coded strength to ride up that way towards a lone pc and got handled instead Are you Abuzer's girlfriend or something? Here's what happened: Some Red Fangs (who are brand new PCs, there's no history here other than your imaginary "Abuzer was bullied by elves as a child" excuse) are in the southlands, their new home at the time. They encounter Abuzer in the desert (where did you get 'rode up on him' from?) and give him some sour looks and sort of hyena behaviour that you'd expect of RFs. About ten seconds into the meeting, Abuzer simply attacks and spams trample. And you defend that as if that were the right thing to do? I already knew you were a total moron from your posting history here, but now I know you're one of those players who are here because you wore out your welcome on Arm because you're a piece of shit. If I still played, I'd be glad if you didn't.
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Post by hurrrrrrrrrr on Dec 8, 2014 9:42:20 GMT -5
It's not about policy, it's about simply being willing to roleplay and having some measure of decency towards other players. Policy would be like SoI's failed rules of engagement. If people are roleplaying and you deliberately refrain from doing so in order to win at PvP by codespam, you have failed the game and are making it worse. He wasn't fighting fire with fire, he was abuzing (ayy) the principles of a roleplaying game in order to grief other players who were doing the right thing. If a roleplaying game ever gets to the point where roleplaying is the wrong decision, and forgoing roleplay in favor of winning for completely OOC reasons (let's not pretend Abuzer was an actual character being roleplayed) is the right decision, the game itself has failed. There don't need to be any policies, but there does need to be a culture of encouragement to maintain a palatable standard of roleplay. If not, is the game really an RPI? You can't seriously suggest that it was the right in-character course of action. Abuzer was someone's griefing tool, serving the purpose of PKing as many PCs as at all possible. It really says something about a player if they seriously defend the act of walking into a room with other PCs and instantaneously codespamming them to death without even attempting to participate in the roleplay that is going on. I'm more and more convinced that a lot of this forum's userbase consists of actual Arm pariahs who were shunned from the game for being absolute cuntbags and now just talk shit about it to feel better about themselves. You're right, I'm not. I was going to edit something in saying as much but didn't get around to it. Policy/PVP 'rules' were on my mind and I applied it to what you were saying. lolpk is shit.
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Post by jkarr on Dec 8, 2014 10:31:41 GMT -5
Are you Abuzer's girlfriend or something? no but u sure sound like a scorned ex lol Some Red Fangs (who are brand new PCs, there's no history here other than your imaginary "Abuzer was bullied by elves as a child" excuse) 1. brand new pcs arent always obv to other pcs, especially desert elves that roll up in the middle of the desert and start acting redfangish towards a lone pc, and 2. pretty sure sirra has no reason to 'imagine' abuzers history with elves, unless u want to challenge his claim urself They encounter Abuzer in the desert (where did you get 'rode up on him' from?) haha true no mounts but for sure u said they were the ones that ran into him, not the other way around, right here Abuzer twink-killed the entire first generation of the re-opened Red Fangs back in 2008 or something. They ran into him in the desert and gave him some looks and give him some sour looks and sort of hyena behaviour that you'd expect of RFs. About ten seconds into the meeting, Abuzer simply attacks and spams trample. And you defend that as if that were the right thing to do? i defend that as a perfectly viable option (even without his history) that his background justifies even more. and im pretty sure if he had died in the process instead of the raiders that this story wouldnt even be discussed here today. chew on that one tearful ad hominem sandwich aisle 7's also got kleenex too. things will get better, i promise lol
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 11:56:12 GMT -5
It's unfortunate those Red Fangs didn't survive a lone rider.
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Post by jkarr on Dec 8, 2014 12:51:48 GMT -5
It's unfortunate those Red Fangs didn't survive a lone rider. thats certainly one way to put it lol
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Post by topkekm8s on Dec 8, 2014 12:56:05 GMT -5
i dont understand the mechanics of what actually happened here
how many pcs are we talking? 4? 5? they cant have all been a day old...
is trample that powerful? how did none of them get away?
did he systematically just hunt them all down after he started going beastmode on them or was he just one hitting them with an adv weap skill?
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Post by legendary on Dec 8, 2014 18:10:21 GMT -5
It's more the fact that he didn't even slightly try to roleplay it even though the elves did. If you get attacked with no emotes, by all means fight fire with fire. If you encounter someone who is emoting at you and clearly trying to make a scene of it, even if they do intend to fight, you're a piece of shit if you just go directly to total codespam without so much as acknowledging that they're more than NPCs. Armageddon has never really tried to discourage that, which is why there's such a bad PvP culture and a complete lack of any persistent roleplay to be found beyond the walls of the cities. If you're confident you're superior, it's easy to go in and throw some emotes around and set a scene. When you do, you're giving them a chance to look you over, make an assessment, gauge how competent you are, way for friends, pass out descriptions in-game and over Skype. Worse, you're giving avenging staff a chance to jockey some NPC intervention if it happens to be a sponsored role, an alt or one of their favorites. When you aren't confident enough to deal with any and all of the above, be you aggressor or defender, going right to code is not just reasonable but in many cases necessary for self-preservation. It isn't twinkish to want the advantage of initiative.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Dec 8, 2014 19:17:43 GMT -5
To be honest, with as many times as I've been randomly ganked with absolutely no RP whatsoever from d-elves, I can't feel sorry for that batch of Red Fangs.
I would've done the same.
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Post by lurklord on Dec 8, 2014 19:30:28 GMT -5
i dont understand the mechanics of what actually happened here how many pcs are we talking? 4? 5? they cant have all been a day old... is trample that powerful? how did none of them get away? did he systematically just hunt them all down after he started going beastmode on them or was he just one hitting them with an adv weap skill? Abuzer was aptly named. If you weren't rocking master parry and defense, he could basically kill you before you had a chance to react. No one would spar with him out of fear of being accidentally PK'd. Not that sparring anyone would have helped him skill up at the level he'd gotten to. Jesus christ.
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Post by topkekm8s on Dec 9, 2014 0:30:17 GMT -5
i dont understand the mechanics of what actually happened here how many pcs are we talking? 4? 5? they cant have all been a day old... is trample that powerful? how did none of them get away? did he systematically just hunt them all down after he started going beastmode on them or was he just one hitting them with an adv weap skill? Abuzer was aptly named. If you weren't rocking master parry and defense, he could basically kill you before you had a chance to react. No one would spar with him out of fear of being accidentally PK'd. Not that sparring anyone would have helped him skill up at the level he'd gotten to. Jesus christ. its not like he could have killed them all instantly... just by looking at him and his armor would be enough to make most players pause. either these red fang players were all terrible retards who didn't know how to flee or they were all terribly committed to dying with their buddies for ic reasons. you would think once he started shredding a player or two to dust with a trident or whatever the fuck he used it would be fucking time to flee and run "oh shit this is a godmode dwarf warrior with advanced weapons maybe its not a good idea to fuck with him". but no. they all died. what i wouldn't give to see the logs from abuzer's side for this encounter.
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