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Post by Amos's Boots on Feb 28, 2015 12:07:25 GMT -5
CP is illegal, though, so that's a false equivalency. Kron you need to go to remedial maths or something You just keep thinking that it's legal to simulate sex acts with minors. everything on the internet is legal because liberating freedoms. smoke weed every day 420 blazeit swagyolo
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 12:10:17 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 12:12:29 GMT -5
You pedo apologists need to take that shit somewhere else and stop standing up for a bunch of mother fucking perverts in hopes that Nyr might kick you some magicker karma.
Some of you are a bunch of damn sycophantic tools.
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Post by punished ppurg on Feb 28, 2015 12:17:10 GMT -5
Holy shit tell me how words are a "graphic" depiction in the sense of graphics as in things that form a picture.
You're misrepresenting the word graphic in that sense.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 12:17:38 GMT -5
Some of you neck beards have been arguing for the better part of a day over whether or not that kinda shit is illegal, and now that I've demonstrated that you are wrong as hell by directly quoting legislaton, I predict that some of you freaks will spit the GDB dick out of your mouth long enough to still try to argue about it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 12:20:47 GMT -5
Are you trying to say that engaging in graphic, text based sexual acts with a minor is not a representation, depiction, or uhhh, description of something that is completely and totally illegal?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 12:35:23 GMT -5
I am not a pedo apologist. FAR FROM IT. But I cannot see any possible way in the [nether]world that you can expect people to be held responsible for information that you did not provide them.
On 'To Catch a Predator,' the decoys make sure to repeat and stress that they are underage in real life, so when the would-be molesters show up to meet these supposed adolescents, it can be proven that they knew full-well that they were chatting up and attempting to meet a minor for sex.
My friend Megan and I used to "cyber" people when we were twelve, because we were curious about it and amused by it. We would sit there and engage in sexual roleplay with strangers, and we would giggle about it like the preteen girls we were. I'm sure if most of those people had known we were twelve, they would have been out of there fast. Sure, maybe some perverts would have typed those things anyway. The fact of the matter is that I will never know because I didn't tell anyone that I was twelve. I don't hold what happened against any of those guys because they didn't know how old I was. It wasn't their fault; it's the friggin' Internet where anybody can pretend to be anybody.
I understand your being nervous about there potentially being a minor on the other side of your RP interactions, and I also understand why those concerns might pull you away from engaging in any sexual scenes. That's perfectly reasonable, and you're not the only one who feels that way. But that doesn't mean that other people can be held responsible for engaging in ADULT roleplay with people whom they believe to be fellow ADULTS, even if one of those people is secretly a kid. Again, anonymity is inherent to interactions that happen over the Internet, and in those kinds of situations, it can be troublesome. I just don't see what you expect anyone to DO about it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 12:41:02 GMT -5
Well, I think that if they can crack down on the way that I craft and play, then they are perfectly capable of cracking down on stuff like this. It's like, why spend so much time browbeating someone who has played the game for so long over next to nothing - when there are genuine "problems."
The pedo apologist thing was probably too much, admittedly.
What can be done? I don't know. But if Nyr can put time and effort into curbing the way I craft, going so far as to get coders to imp code directly related to that, then it seems like something could be done about this, too.
I think people should be able to mud sex, but they should be able to do that without having to worry about whether or not the person on the other end is a minor. Ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 12:48:57 GMT -5
What bothers me is that a lot of people who I think are pretty smart have attacked me, defended simulated sex acts with minors, etc, when it took me five minutes of googling to find a piece of legislation confirming what I've said.
I mean, come on guys... You can do better than that.
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Post by Procrastination on Feb 28, 2015 12:58:14 GMT -5
Okay... e-ratecentral.com/CIPA/Childrens_Internet_Protection_Act.pdfSorry, I don't think the FBI could be convinced that hardcore text sex with a minor is artistic expression. Hey, before I start doing that thing where I call you a fuckface cause you're being annoying, I'm going to point out what the man was saying. The top of this little 'direct quote' of yours that you feel empowers you, says, and I have it right there, says 'the term 'harmful to minors' means any picture, image, graphic image file, or other 'visual depiction' that - yadda yadda yadda. Your little quote is in regards to literal graphic images dumbass. Go find the quote for explicit literature. And I don't think anyone on these boards is saying, 'Go out and find a fourteen year old to mudsex.' Everyone has said that's shit. But everyone has also agreed if you don't let them know you're fourteen, and you're doing that sort of thing, people are going to assume you're not the one breaking the rules. Don't try to change the point that everyone's made to you. And those that've said otherwise are just trolling you because you are asking for it.
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 28, 2015 13:01:29 GMT -5
I have a better point. Kronibas, contact the authorities and if they give you even an ounce of serious consideration and bother contacting the ARM staff to investigate. I will take back my statement that this is throwing shit against the wall until something sticks.
We're all waiting. Contact the authorities or you're letting the next 14 year old get horribly abused by knowing pedos on ARM who definitely know those people are underage and are typing at them, knowingly.
EDIT - The server has a runlog that goes back X amount of time depending on how they store it so all the 'evidence' you'd need would be on their own server even!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 13:02:19 GMT -5
Sorry, lines and lines of sexually explicit text directed at ONE person, a minor in this hypothetical case, is a lot different than a kid picking up a sexually explicit piece of literature.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 13:09:58 GMT -5
I don't pretend to know about the legal side of any of this, but the law you posted specifically states that the offending media has to be a visual depiction.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 13:11:49 GMT -5
And haven't I already stated this a discussion, not a witch hunt? I'm not trying to get people in trouble because, let's be real, having everything stripped from you because of laws is weak as hell. That ever happened to anyone here? Well, it happened to me, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
Still, unethical shit has been going on long enough, and fuckwits like Nyr would rather arbitrarily punish players they don't like instead of worrying about genuine ethical problems with this game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 13:13:46 GMT -5
The part about "describes" sexual acts doesn't really seem like it's an image-only law.
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