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Post by jimmyhoffa on Jan 16, 2015 22:16:52 GMT -5
Why or why not?
edit: Fixed poll
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 22:49:12 GMT -5
Right or wrong, I feel I was blacklisted by imms for a set of mistakes on their part, that they then closed ranks to cover. I was told how to recover from it, but I was apparently unable to meet the conditions in four real years.
It comes down to pride, and not willing to be insulted to play.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 22:55:49 GMT -5
I stopped because of someone who wasn't even ON staff until after I spent a year and a half there trying to discredit and condescend to me on the GDB by making it a point to publicly explain to me 'how staff make decisions' after being mocked, having a post changed by staff to something mocking what I said, and so on. I have stayed gone because life is too short to fuck around and kiss the ass of people who have no respect for you while begging breadcrumbs from their table for a fucking hobby. It's great if you are able to keep your illusions and a heavy dose of denial. I am not anymore. As much as I love the world, setting, players, and some of the code (especially watch/hemotes, emote targetting, etc), every time I think about who I would have to deal with and kowtow to... I wind up not logging in. Not worth it. I have people to mock me and walk all over me in person. If I wanted that, I certainly wouldn't have to look to the internet for it, and even if I did, there's plenty of other places besides a game to get that.
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Post by Jeshin on Jan 16, 2015 23:08:01 GMT -5
You can go checkout how Nyr treated me while I was playing Elrum. Not only he is an ass making it not worth it but the fact he is so high in the staff organization means he is supported by the higher ups making them all disrespectful of the playerbase. Why play there when I can just GM tabletop games with my friends to RP? armageddonmud.boards.net/post/12223/thread
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Post by BitterFlashback on Jan 16, 2015 23:33:07 GMT -5
i'd vote no but the polls expred.
Why? First time: frustration burnout. second time: nyyyyrrrrrreeedddddd... and also a reminder what burnd me out had gotten worse.
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Post by alleys on Jan 17, 2015 2:50:33 GMT -5
I recently got back. Last time I was simply bored. I never had real dialogues, quarrels or GM run plots around my PCs (even when I ran a templar for about a year or so), so I didn't have any problem with the IMMs.
About current status of the game, what I saw, what I read here and in common GDB, I have no problem with what is going on. There are always people who makes you have more fun from your hobby, and there are some don't. I personally choose giving a polite smile and continue spending my time for the hobby until it gets boring. Maybe most importantly, I am a off-peak player so, I almost always play with other players. Though some direct storytelling would be fun, but code, setting and leader player system give a lot of rp opportunities with players.
PS. I really am a tabletop RPG player at first. Trusting a storyteller sits at center of the game. She says there is a dragon dancing, then there is a dragon dancing. There are a lot of codes in a Mud, and Storytellers' job is somewhat giving extra flavour to it. But what a IMM tells about the game, I accept it without any hessitation. If their stories become silly or boring, then I simply stop listening/playing it. That's what I find interesting about most of the people here, you tried and still trying to improve the game. You rock hard.
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Post by delerak on Jan 17, 2015 2:59:42 GMT -5
No comment..
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Post by sirra on Jan 17, 2015 3:25:27 GMT -5
Right or wrong, I feel I was blacklisted by imms for a set of mistakes on their part, that they then closed ranks to cover. I was told how to recover from it, but I was apparently unable to meet the conditions in four real years. It comes down to pride, and not willing to be insulted to play. I have stayed gone because life is too short to fuck around and kiss the ass of people who have no respect for you while begging breadcrumbs from their table for a fucking hobby. It's great if you are able to keep your illusions and a heavy dose of denial. I am not anymore. As much as I love the world, setting, players, and some of the code (especially watch/hemotes, emote targetting, etc), every time I think about who I would have to deal with and kowtow to... I wind up not logging in. Same. That and a healthy dose of outright lying to me about my account notes, until I got the real ones accidentally sent to me. For those that still don't know, each player has a ton of comments and assertions about them on their notes, which you will never see. The reason it takes a long time to see your notes when you request them, and why it's only allowed every six months, is the time needed for them to give you an edited version. Their response? 'You weren't supposed to see that.'
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 4:35:33 GMT -5
I don't play anymore and probably never will. It was a game that I cared a lot about for half a dozen years, and then Nyr and his sycophants took over and made it untenable. The game had been stagnating since about 2007, of course, but it wasn't until Nyr's influence took root that Armageddon became actively unpleasant to be part of. It pains me today to see the playerbase act like terrified backpatters who depend on the "boss" for food (i.e. karma and whitelisting) and so need to treat him and his crew with fawning, deluded support. This used to be a great community full of people with backbone, folks like LoD and Angela Christie who said what they meant, but people like that are gone - many specifically because of Nyr - and now you can only thrive on Arm if you join the grovellers.
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Post by delerak on Jan 17, 2015 4:54:21 GMT -5
I disagree. I pkilled some pretty long lived PCs recently just for funsies.
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Post by sirra on Jan 17, 2015 5:50:41 GMT -5
I disagree. I pkilled some pretty long lived PCs recently just for funsies. That's not what we're talking about. And just because a PC is long lived doesn't particularly mean anything. I'm sure plenty of staff get schadenfreude now and then from seeing even fellow staff alts killed. And anyhow, it's virtually impossible to intervene in such a situation. And the times when they have blatantly intervened on the spot are fairly infamous incidents. But things happen too fast on Armageddon for such stuff. The fuckery is more of a long term effect. Behind the scenes screwjobs and such when no one is looking. When we talk about 'thriving', we don't mean going out and killing someone. We mean getting any kind of significant plot traction, descriptions, buildings or anything remotely resembling imm effort. Examples might be trying to barricade a door, trying to build an outpost, or say, applying for one of the merchant warehouses which require an OOC staff discussion about your 'trustworthiness'. We mean the same people getting picked for the same top roles over and over again. I think you're well aware of this. Yes, you can thrive in the sense of being completely on your own, and giving the finger to the powers that be, now and then, in some spiteful fashion. But as soon as you find your way onto someone's black list (and even before then), you're well and truly fucked. I had only positive account notes for years, and I had extremely basic requests go unheeded or ignored for months. Because I never played a female gypsy or aide or skyped with Nyr, evidently. You'll certainly never affect the game world in any meaningful sense, unless you take the Abuzer route (get so codedly powerful that there is almost nothing they can do about it without force storing you - which has happened). Although, they can still fuck with you, such as turning off your ability to increase your skills, or arbitrarily lowering them without telling you. Both have been done in the past. Now, if you initiated an elaborate plot requiring staff support and cooperation to go about killing these PCs, then maybe you're onto something. But then, haven't you played Arm with like a half dozen different accounts over the years? If you just bushwhacked them, then good job, but that means nothing. The opportunity to bushwhack someone's pet now and then is what kept me even playing the game for a couple years past 2009. It's not thriving. It's existing. Without that opportunity, we're just their fuck puppets. And even some people on the GDB would wise up eventually.
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Post by jimmyhoffa on Jan 17, 2015 9:53:47 GMT -5
i'd vote no but the polls expred. sorry mate poll is unlocked again. i voted yes but i do not play anywhere as long as i used to from 2004-2008
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Post by lyse on Jan 17, 2015 11:04:11 GMT -5
I still play or I should say, I started playing again. I stopped playing around 2007, because my career didn't allow me to play anymore. So I missed out on many of the things that people are talking about simply because I missed out on the Arm 2.0 thing or all of the other weirdness. But I find it all believable and immediately noticed it's not quite the same game it was when I left. I do see clan leaders being more frustrated and people I would've thought would be excellent RPers from their posts on the GDB not give a shit or just be shitty in general. I still feel like I have a couple more characters left in me before I leave again, but I do feel like I get little return on my efforts from both staff and many players, but I'm still doing it because I enjoy RP.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 14:35:01 GMT -5
I still play because I still think it's fun. There really isn't anything more complex about it for me.
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Post by sirra on Jan 17, 2015 15:11:18 GMT -5
I still play because I still think it's fun. There really isn't anything more complex about it for me. If Armageddon wasn't a fun game, this forum wouldn't exist. If it wasn't fun, someone like Nyr wouldn't have felt compelled to obsess over it until he worked his way into power. I've always thought that Nyr probably loves Armageddon more than the rest of us. It was so fun for him, that he did everything he could to monopolize it.
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