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Post by lurklord on Jan 18, 2015 14:18:03 GMT -5
I never got what your problem was. You were given THE strongest PC to ever exist in Kaiden.
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Post by delerak on Jan 18, 2015 14:39:09 GMT -5
I played Crosolino, the corpulent, mustached man. I wasn't strong at all and I don't know how you're coming to that conclusion. I was a non-combat PC and I got a minor setup from Jazet that actually made things worse because I was a Kaden with zero power from the start and I had zero respect. There was no way to get people to play in the "underworld" that I was supposed to be running. I had no power to do anything man.
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Post by lurklord on Jan 18, 2015 14:51:24 GMT -5
Oh, sure, I can clear that up for you then.
You pissed off the military PCs who were anti-council themselves, since they got their company ruined, and would have otherwise been willing to serve your agenda if you didn't treat them like shit.
You pissed off Lily who was another influential slummer character by demanding she do things for you for free.
You pissed off the council by openly being anti-council and trying to push democratic ideals. They were butting heads with military HARD around this time.
You pissed off the hunting lodge, several among them anti-council due to personal wrongdoings, by repeatedly mocking their disfigured member and telling their females hunters they belong in a brothel.
Basically, you pissed off every authority figure at once without any support. It was bound to go badly for you.
Edit: If you want proof that the underworld can work, look at the historian, and the criminal that's running around now and making council member's piss themselves. The reason they can do it is because they've got allies.
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Post by delerak on Jan 18, 2015 15:12:26 GMT -5
They were family and I tried to get them to work for me but they refused. The players that are playing these PCs were so incompetent I don't know where to start so there is nothing I could. I didn't insult them and they weren't ANTI-council. They worked for the fucking Nadu. I had a scene with the main guy running the mercenary company and he pulled out some Golden Nadu hand to show he was their trusted agent and told me to get the fuck out of his compound. So no that is wrong. I can't make magic happen when the players were refusing to play ball with me.
Don't know who this is or what you're referring to. If this is the PC that was setting up a homeless shelter in the slums. Yeah we strong armed her or tried to. We could have just pkilled her but we didn't. Whatever not going to address this any further.
Crosolino had no choice because there was no other voice in the city. Which makes no sense. I could list a hundred reasons why there would be a democratic process in the city but I'm not going to waste my time defending what Crosolino was trying to do. He was smart and was trying to sway the populace but I got zero support from staff virtually and apparently people enjoy being under the purview of a dictator.
I don't remember this except the brothel part. Yes I did offer ONE female PC to become the head mistress of my brothel because she was gorgeous in game and that's how Cross operated but unfortunately it was turned down. I don't remember anything else about mocking someone, I probably did because that's how Cross was. He wasn't a nice man by any means but that was all due to his upbringing in a fucking crime ridden family where people got murdered in front of him when he was 8 years old. He was a hard nosed bastard just like his brother was.
Wrong. I had allies. The original Kavka had a pact with Crosolino and they were going to do great things but we all know how that ended. I got a great scene in with that player before he got assassinated for "insert arbitrary reason here" by *CUE HORROR MUSIC* THE HISTORIAN. Won't get into that either by the way.
I had a good time at EoE while it lasted but the direction of the game is just weird. I don't even know where to start with how confused I was trying to roleplay there. I had more moments of bewilderment than anything else while playing there. A lot of it has to do with the players. I can't force a player to do something they don't want to. So I have the choice of pkiling someone in my "slummer" territory or I can try to convince them to work for me and get them into the clan. If they are an OOC friend of the Nadu what then? I'm fucked. These are the types of things that were going on and I refuse to play in that kind of environment where there are those kind of cliques going on.
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Post by delerak on Jan 18, 2015 15:20:04 GMT -5
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Post by lurklord on Jan 18, 2015 15:43:59 GMT -5
I can't really be bothered to get into a flame war, but I'd really recommend giving it another try as a Baron. Particularly a Kavka since they're the traditional Nadu rival and have friends within Kaden.
There'd be a drastic change if there were active Kavka/Kaden Barons that weren't up Nadu's ass.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 16:00:35 GMT -5
While I want to agree, Nadu has everyone pretty much fucked into playing ball because they have all the land and all the money, so... it would take a miracle to get people to actively destroy the one relationship that allows them to build and finance things within the city, unless the focus was outside the city, but... well... that's not something that's too easy to go into without it sounding like the same harping complaints, ie: Nadu has it all, others have nothing, until/unless that changes the docs are just a pretty mouthpiece to make it look different but it's not the case.
My problem is and has been that there is 1 person running everything that can and will totally fuck you over for totally arbitrary reasons (btw, they liked my pc until I posted on the forums something about family while being involved with one of their family members. she even managed to make a pretty custom skirt for her) which are as much OOC (again, forum posts) as IC. It's not a problem, in and of itself. The problem lies in the fact that it's supposed to be a council and popular vote thing, not 1 person running the show, per the documentation on the setting. If she's going to be the queen, give her the title and accountability and target on her back that comes with that, that's all I'm saying.
And I'm far from the only one who feels or has felt that way. The overwhelming majority of people who've quit or had complaints about EoE, their complaints specifically have to do with the fact that 1 family has all the money and land, and 1 person in that family dictates the success or failure of everything, and if you don't play nice with them/live up their ass/stay under their thumb, turn around times on things you want to try and accomplish are long to totally lacking response, depending on what it is. Even when you are a member of an Enclave, even if you've been around a whole IC year or more, even a bunch of things. And again, that wouldn't be so bad if (again, this is the source of multiple people's issues if you read the thread)... the person wasn't completely untouchable.
I would be massively surprised if she doesn't wind up named actual queen, despite the fact that interaction with her has been so problematic that it's driven more people away that just belong to these boards who played, than there are logged in at peak playtimes. That's telling, and problematic, when everything you want to do outside a very narrow focus requires her approval in-game, her assistance in-game, begging/swallowing pride/kissing ass/kowtowing to one pc who is supposed to be ranked fairly equally with 9 other people. No other baron or baroness has that kind of power. The closest you come to that is the Avasar Baron, and it's no coincidence that both of them were around forever before any other human pcs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 16:01:20 GMT -5
I can't really be bothered to get into a flame war, but I'd really recommend giving it another try as a Baron. Particularly a Kavka since they're the traditional Nadu rival and have friends within Kaden. There'd be a drastic change if there were active Kavka/Kaden Barons that weren't up Nadu's ass. Last time there was a Kavka baron that wasn't, he was executed after being stripped of his title.
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Post by lurklord on Jan 18, 2015 16:13:07 GMT -5
I can't really be bothered to get into a flame war, but I'd really recommend giving it another try as a Baron. Particularly a Kavka since they're the traditional Nadu rival and have friends within Kaden. There'd be a drastic change if there were active Kavka/Kaden Barons that weren't up Nadu's ass. Last time there was a Kavka baron that wasn't, he was executed after being stripped of his title. Nadu played a part, sure, but it was ultimately the council's majority vote that killed him. Which is the point I'm trying to make.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Jan 18, 2015 16:17:28 GMT -5
whats keeping someone from forming a cabal of pissd off players and everyone just killing her as a group?
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Post by Jeshin on Jan 18, 2015 16:22:33 GMT -5
What game is this again, EoE? Tell me which one it is, I'll go in there RP my balls off and post the logs here for the full disclosure. Any nitty gritty or heinous bullshitry will be revealed for all.
Jeshin, MUD detective!
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Post by lurklord on Jan 18, 2015 16:23:34 GMT -5
whats keeping someone from forming a cabal of pissd off players and everyone just killing her as a group? What would that really accomplish apart from having another Baron take her place?
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Post by BitterFlashback on Jan 18, 2015 16:26:48 GMT -5
whats keeping someone from forming a cabal of pissd off players and everyone just killing her as a group? What would that really accomplish apart from having another Baron take her place? because 1) you have no guarantee her replacement would be as bad and 2) if it's not impossible because staff, you could always to it again, and again, and again, until people are afraid to play the role (EDIT: like complete dicks) because it's a choice between isolation and death sentence.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 16:31:53 GMT -5
Not entirely true, the first humans were the Kaden brothers and the Sundown lodge pcs. Not the case to hear the guy who played one of those Sundown Lodge PCs tell it. From what I was told, Wayden and Nathiria were around months before that. In fact, one of those Kaden brothers was Ullr Sundown before he was a Kaden, and Ullr was involved with one of the Lodge pcs and a plot that involved a dwarf, who was already friends with Nathiria before Ullr was ever created, so either that's a purposeful lie on your part, or you simply don't know what you're talking about. Jeshin yeah, that's the one. BitterFlashback no idea, as I'm not only not a fan of coded combat but not big on pk in general, I wouldn't be the one to talk to about things preventing a particular pk, because for me, the answer is always (almost always): sounds like a lot of time and effort to put in to likely die in the process of killing someone else, thus wasting massive amounts of not only my time but the other party's as well.
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Post by lurklord on Jan 18, 2015 16:31:55 GMT -5
What would that really accomplish apart from having another Baron take her place? because 1) you have no guarantee her replacement would be as bad and 2) if it's not impossible because staff, you could always to it again, and again, and again, until people are afraid to play the role because it's a choice between isolation and death sentence. 1) You have no guarantee her replacement wouldn't be worse. Or a combat monster. Or someone who walks around with 20 NPC guards at any given time. 2) That's toxic for a role-playing environment and is worse than the actual problem. Which is the power sweep, which could be fixed by having more people play Barons.
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