grumble
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Post by grumble on Oct 17, 2015 5:32:40 GMT -5
tehr r sum gud playurz tho jsut gud luk fydeeng an inturesteeng caraktur taht dusnt emydeatlee git skwashed by teh strong sylint tiyp 4 resins.
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jesantu
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Post by jesantu on Oct 17, 2015 9:17:54 GMT -5
That's what I don't get about current admin. It's so obvious. If you want to be treated like a leader then act like one. I know ghaati will feel the need to point out that because Arm isn't a "profession" there's no need to act "professional" but it should be painfully obvious to the rest of us what that word is meant to be synonymous with. Words like decency and respectful might spring to mind. I don't necessarily agree with the language some players use to the imms. You can see it when their copies of emails are posted here. I'm not gonna lie, I am thinking in the back of my head well dude you certainly weren't helping the situation by being passive aggressive in your speech to the imms.
But that's not the point. It doesn't excuse anyone's behavior but the onus of being the better person is on the imm's shoulders. Why, you ask? Why be civil if someone is (you feel) being dickish to you? BECAUSE YOU'RE A LEADER! Stop succumbing to pettiness, Nyrsallin and Urinemoose. Players don't have to agree with your decision to reject....whatever it is they're requesting....but they'll still see you as a leader if you do it professionally. Sorry, I mean courteously. Be short. Be succinct. Be whatever you want. But the moment you start acting emotional....and small....you've just surrendered all opportunity to be seen as a leader.
I don't think you guys can change, current imms pretending not to read. I keep comparing it to north korea. Even if north korea decided to start acting nice, the only real solution is a change in regime because ya'll got blood on your hands. Ok, as imms you're not that vile and despicable but you've abused the system too long to ever be seen as a leader now. I believe it is far, far too late to turn over a new leaf even if you had the emotional capacity and maturity to accept that you have a leaf to turn over in the first place. However if you want to finally FINALLY take what everyone from here to the gdb are all telling you then for fucks sake start acting like a leader. Show that you're the better person. If you need to reject something then reject it. Without emotion or spite or anger or anything. Just be a brick wall that the players' frustration with you bounces off of because you're not there to get emotional with them but rather be authoritative....you approve what you approve not because you like or dislike the player but because you feel the system should or shouldn't allow what they're asking for. No threatening the spouses of players you dislike, no long winded emails detailing how their behavior MAKES YOU FEEL and definitely no name calling.
Good luck with that.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Oct 18, 2015 15:57:03 GMT -5
After a long enough time of this, it gets to the point where "tryhard" RP is almost ridiculed, which is something you can even see on Armageddon where they've developed a culture of barely emoting, barely expressing their roleplay, and deriding long emotes and verbosity as some kind of flowery, masturbatory showboating that isn't appreciated. Too few players on Armageddon make any real effort to make their roleplay appealing and immersive to the other participants. They've got this bizarre "emoting does not equal roleplay" mantra and have convinced themselves that your intentions are all that matter. The result is that Armageddon's roleplaying environment has devolved to the point where even storytellers are so awful at portraying their roleplay that you get shit like that scene where the half-giant soldier was subduing a templar and emoting like someone who had just discovered RPIs. It's like Arm has come to be a game where the ideal is to be the strong, silent type who makes the right choice but keeps it all inside and doesn't reveal anything to anybody. It's no fucking wonder players aren't immersed. It's a pendulum swing from the way things were a while back, where the self-titled "fashionistas" were bitching on the GDB about other players not overcompensating-via-emote enough. You had a seemingly endless string of bad role players compensating for their poor characterization by constantly describing shit around them, things they were wearing, really anything other than giving you any idea about what was going on in their characters' heads or their recent experiences. In other words: You still didn't learn anything about their characters, but it took 6 paragraphs of emoted text to not learn it. The spam often broke immersion by drowning out shit you might have wanted to read. This was especially bad when you had 2 or 3 of them in a room where people were trying to talk. I don't think it helped anyone stay in the game when they keep losing track of a conversation at their table because the f-me at the bar's crimson leather coat kept shifting with the gusts of wind and sand blown in from the door, the faint howl of the sandstorm dying out as it closes and no longer able to rise above the din of the clamoring mercenaries... The point being those claims you're bitching about were entirely valid, but the current state of taking it to another extreme and omitting detail where it's warranted is also a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 16:00:07 GMT -5
On the one hand, I agree. On the other hand, I actually taught myself to emote much shorter and sloppier, and in a hell of a lot less detail because every time I took the time out to actually take surroundings into account, people always assumed I was trying to play an fme or my pc wanted to fuck them. And that was when I was a newbie in 08.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 18:49:09 GMT -5
Maybe it's because I'm used to it, but I kind of like Arm's short and to the point emoting convention versus the long-winded stuff I see in other games. Yeah, seeing nothing but "the emoting man smiles" is boring, but the good RPers in Arm seem to find a happy medium between that and "the emoting man pauses for a moment, his narrow, clean-shaven face adopting the expression of one pondering the sheer gravity of the situation at hand. He drags the toe of his shiny snakeskin boot back and forth over the pavement -- once, twice, three times now -- before glancing up again with a quick flash of pale blue eyes, visible behind the wispy fringe of his vermillion hair. Slowly, almost painfully so, his thin lips spread into a rare smile."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 18:55:40 GMT -5
I don't want a paragraph of purple prose every time by any means, but I will be really blunt when I say: Hearing pcs that emote that way referred to as f-me's, and having people assume I wanted to fuck them because their players thoughts w/regards to the emotes I would use is the sole reason I stepped down the emoting game, and one of the biggest reasons I -do- like to roleplay out intimate scenes. It is -because- of that reductionist attitude of the p-base toward emoting, that I cannot get that sort of detail, body language, and insight, in more regular and public scenes. I don't think I even need to say how sexist it is, that's a horse that's been beat for years.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 19:02:08 GMT -5
Naw, it's just fucking staff and their half giants, Ruke, and his fucking boring Kuraci that don't emote - it gets in the way of winning. The rest of us find a nice balance.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2015 20:52:09 GMT -5
ho. ho. ho. gdb.armageddon.org/index.php/topic,50010.msg909167.html#msg909167 Why do staff think that lying to the playerbase will have beneficial results? (Also, unintentional hilarity with the ambiguity in the first sentence: "even in the face of rude behavior among the staff".)
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punished ppurg
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Post by punished ppurg on Oct 25, 2015 22:16:28 GMT -5
I'd like to respond to gdb.armageddon.org/index.php/topic,50010.msg909253.html#msg909253, since I remain banned for daring to opine how the staff complaint system is fundamentally flawed. This is just terribly incorrect. First off, I reached out to Adhira. #1. #2, Adhira didn't try to explain why a no was a no. She told me that Nyr had unreasonably denied my requests because he was angry at me, and she promised to take a look at the karma review that she felt Nyr had unreasonably denied. When I tried to make good on that promise, Nyr scrambled my password. She also told me that, due to the issues I raised, the team would be looking at the resurrection policy... in fact, they did. They changed some wording around in order to cover their asses, and to blatantly punish anyone who ever has the gall to call out an ignorant staff member for their universal failures and demand a retraction. This was an insincere warping of my goal, which is and remains to improve this game for the players. It has, instead, created a foundation towards making the game worse. It is the exact opposite of what I had hoped, what Adhira had misled me to believe. #3, "a tale end of a long stream of abuse" is really good rhetoric. It is nowhere near the truth. Apparently, expecting the staff to follow their own rules along with refusing to settle for insincere answers is "a long stream of abuse." There is no point that was raised to me which was valid. None. Every single point raised to me was invalid. They were so invalid, that the people who raised them to me did not justify them. They did not wish to discuss them or even invest the effort to justify them -- they were parroted as truths without any substance or merit. I'm supposed to fall for this juvenile logic trap that since you don't respond to my retort, it's settled? OH but you can feeeeeel that a reason is invalid but that doesn't make it so!!!It isn't a matter of feelings. Cavaticus made a stupid mistake, one that he should have immediately fixed -- one that he should have been intelligent enough to not make in the first place. However, the staff team is so petty that when a group of players reacts to their aneurysm of an event differently than they expected, their experience ceases to matter; this fact is self-evident in other completely different scenarios than this one, and it pervades Armageddon to the core. Do we all make mistakes? Of course we do, and I'm easy to forgive those who own up to them. Every reason given to me was an empty excuse to justify the continuing failure after failure to fix the underlying issue. This is why there was no investment or justification, and perhaps why it's considered abuse by their end... Trying to hold their feet to the floor instead of accepting their mental gymnastics must be terribly abusive and insulting. I was (and still am) demanding that the staff of this game offer something more than empty rhetoric. I'll not even go into the "long stream of abuse" I happened to experience, what with the censoring of my posts and the force-storage and unjustified bans placed on me. I'll not go into it because Taven and others do not care about how badly I was treated by this excuse of a staff team; nor do they care how badly others are treated. Let me raise a retort directly to Taven. If there were a set of guidelines which were created (and I'll not beat around the bush) to stop the staff members from being assholes to the playerbase, what would be the punishment for breaking these guidelines? What would be the ramifications, and who would enforce them? The two undeniably biggest assholes on the staff team, Nyr and Nessalin? The ones that hold most of the justification for these guidelines to be created in the first place? What would be the punishment for Nyr telling a ban appealing player to fuck off, snidely joking about threatening a restraining order for "burying" him under emails that he requested in the first place? What would be the punishment for Nessalin responding to a player's issue by diminishing it as "your own inability to let go of past issues and stop being a self-entitled, petulant troll"? What would be the punishment for a staff member (I forget who; the name is inconsequential to the bigger issue) saying towards a troubled player that their attempts to clarify a staff complaint were "getting a no from mommy and then running to daddy", writing off their issue as some juvenile whining? These examples go on for years. I'll tell you what the punishment would be for breaking these guidelines. Nothing. These guidelines would make absolutely no difference. There is no kernel of sincerity in the staff team to protect via these guidelines, so there would be no tangible change. It would only be an empty gesture in an attempt for a self-aware staffbase to placate a few disgruntled players. In fact, that's all that thread is. An empty gesture, where Jave (a newbie storyteller who has already shown needless hostility towards members of the playerbase) and others recognize how disgruntled the players are for having to suffer through the toxicity of the persons controlling their experience. Here's a suggestion! Talk to the players like they're people! That will solve a majority of the problems, and players will talk to you like a person in return.But it stands in plain evidence that, at least for the past year I've had the misfortune of investing into this failed environment, the staff members have no respect for the playerbase they were once members of. If they did, the evident condescension, insincerity, and toxicity obviously visible in their interactions wouldn't exist. I'll hold that there has never been a better time for a parallel RPI to open in direct competition of Armageddon, so that all of the Arm players could finally get a dose of something they've sorely been missing -- a decent staff team that respects them, and their experience.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 23:01:18 GMT -5
I can't take you seriously until you use the word 'invalid' and 'valid' correctly.
Otherwise, I agree.
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punished ppurg
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Post by punished ppurg on Oct 25, 2015 23:04:42 GMT -5
in·val·id
inˈvaləd/
adjective
adjective: invalid
not valid, in particular.
(especially of an official document or procedure) not legally recognized and therefore void because contravening a regulation or law.
"the vote was declared invalid due to a technicality"
synonyms: (legally) void, null and void, unenforceable, not binding, illegitimate, inapplicable
"the law was invalid"
antonyms: binding
(especially of an argument, statement, or theory) not true because based on erroneous information or unsound reasoning.
"a comparison is invalid if we are not comparing like with like"
synonyms: false, untrue, inaccurate, faulty, fallacious, spurious, unconvincing, unsound, weak, wrong, wide of the mark, off target;
antonyms: true
val·id
ˈvaləd/
adjective
(of an argument or point) having a sound basis in logic or fact; reasonable or cogent.
"a valid criticism"
synonyms: well founded, sound, reasonable, rational, logical, justifiable, defensible, viable, bona fide; More
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 23:38:51 GMT -5
lol did you just like my troll post on you? this shit is fucked up. also check out the numbers folks! 184! that's ... unbelievable.
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delerak
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Post by delerak on Nov 1, 2015 4:04:11 GMT -5
Hmm. Having nothing but time and shit internet on the ship I've come to the realization that Lizzie has the equivalent IQ of a ham sandwich. I'd love to put some quotes and such but I don't know if I care enough. Just commenting.
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grumble
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Post by grumble on Nov 1, 2015 7:28:53 GMT -5
Lizzie's idea of what constitutes leadership is like if a ham sandwich somehow managed to read a book report on "The Prince", written by a seventh grader. It's pretty disgusting that these players are the ones trusted by staff at times for their leadership rolecalls.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2015 10:30:38 GMT -5
In response to Purg's post. While all the examples he mentioned shouldnt have happened. Staff should've been more civil and professional about it. I do find that your basis that you were right and that those resurrections should've occured, is a flawed one. I read the logs myself for example and I dont personally find that those recruits should've been resurrected.
What I mean is that you're acting like you have this profound monolith backing of being justified in your pressure and that by denial the staff is completely in the wrong. In my opinion ... they werent? In my personal opinion, there should have been no resurrection. Perhaps I'm one of the Lizzies, or whatever, so my thinking is flawed. Or perhaps yours is. Just be aware. That monolith righteousness that you might be thinking is what is driving you ... does not exist.
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